seminal for einstein and darwin. the 1st was he never allowed his theory to be objective testing. loyalty and obedience. he began to apply his theory. severe mental illness. the reality is, there are many aspects that are very useful and effective that had virtually nothing to do with these disorders, autism , some horrible, horrible things. the refrigerator, homosexuality, the father, and these things were not only untrue but i think the legacy, those that came after. >> someone who went through analysis, delusional breakdown, have a psychoanalyst, i kind of relate to that. referring your book as psychiatry is a step style of medicine. legitimate science and yet your book is full of descriptions of cures and ideas that could legitimately be called illegitimate. use of forest the title i section of the book fairly harsh. so two questions for you to answer. how much of psychiatry's image and the stigma problem can be laid at the foot of psychiatry and people who claim to be in 2nd to you think that stigma was inevitable? given the crazy complexity? >> i think it is about 60. gets us