khrushchev and eisenhower. and the changof presidencies, what was his view coming in of john kennedy. guest: great questions, a historical questions. in 1956, i arrived there in january. khrushchev had been essentially the boss only for about a year or 18 months. it took a year or so before he could establish his position following stalin's death in march of 1953. so khrushchev wanted very much by 1956 to say to the russian people and to the world that russia is now changed, it is no longer stalin's russia, it is now khrushchev's russia. and delivered a very famous secret speech, i believe it was february 24, 1956. and he summoned all of the leaders of various communist parties which had been meeting in moscow at the time to come back to the kremlin in the middle of the night because he wanted to tell them his view of stalin. and his view of stalin was very negative. but because he had ruled for 29 years, he was a legend, if you spoke one word against stalin you could be killed. and what khrushchev did was in t

eisenhower type, such -- okay. not so much. 1950s, 3 million illegal migrants walked north for jobs in california, arizona, texas and points beyond christian science monitor. he was obsessed with removing them. he said the rise of illegal border crossings by mexican, his work, went back to him about my words. 1 million cases a year, accompanied by curious relaxation and ethical standards extending all the way from exploiters of this labor to the highest levels of the federal government. eisenhower's first attorney general said in an interview, the writer of this piece, the president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigrants when he took office. america was faced with a breakdown of law enforcement on a large scale and said former attorney general, when i say large scale, hundreds of thousands coming in from mexico every year without restraint. the orders came straight from the top from eisenhower. the new president. he put a former west point classmate, joseph swing in charge of immigration enforcement, gener

first of the general and then president eisenhower was one of nato strongest supporters. he believed in a strong relationship with europe. however, by the end of eisenhower, his presidency, even he was concerned that europe was not shouldering enough of its own defense, nearly making in eisenhower his words, quote, a sucker out of uncle's and sam. well, like president eisenhower, this administration believes in alliances, deeply believes in alliances, but make no mistake. present in trump will not allow anyone to turn uncle sam into uncle sucker. thank you. and we're glad to take some questions. thanks very much. let's start with the us traveling tv pool with lives for them. thank you. secretary access. you have focused on what you crane is giving up what concessions will to and be asked to make. well that's i would start by saying the, the arguments that have been made that somehow coming to the table right now is making concessions, divide or putting outright that we otherwise are that the president of the united states shouldn't otherwise make. just reject that at its

and it known as david to this day eisenhower like. fdr used it frequently and it was his escape hatch when. the presidency really became a very, very arduous for him. now how did the vineyard get involvedn all this? well, actually, john adams was even before the declaration of independence dance and the birth the country, if you will, john adams, had come down from braintree outside of boston, which was his home. and chilmark, to give counsel to a legal counsel to a friend, jonathan, john adams, some of you may know, in addition, his career as a statesman and obviously vice president and then president was really considered one of the foremost legal minds of the time and in fact, during the boston massacre the british officer who had given the command fire on the colonists when he was taken to trial, john adams agreed to be his defense attorney because adams felt was essential that people have good legal counsel regardless of what you think of their acts. so another testimony to the character of john adams, but john adams, if you will

nearly making in eisenhower's words, quote, a sucker out of uncle sam.er, this administration believes in alliances, deeply believes in alliances. but make no mistake, president trump will not allow anyone turn uncle sam into uncle sucker. thank you and we're glad to take questions. >> let's start with the u.s. traveling tv pool. >> thank you, secretary hegseth. you have focused on what ukraine is giving up. what concessions with putin be asked to make? >> that's -- i would start by saying the arguments that have been made that somehow coming to the table right now is making concessions to vladimir putin or that the president of the shouldn't otherwise made i reject that. a reason negotiations are happening now a few weeks after president trump was sworn in as president of the united states. vladimir putin responds to strength. in 2014 he invaded crimea not during the presidency of donald trump. there was no russian aggression from 2016 to 2020. in 2022, vladimir putin took aggression on ukraine. once again not while president trump was president of the

no, but it's unequivocally started under under eisenhower. am i suggesting that this was the sole reason for the break in? no. as somebody who spent 40 years in crisis management, one of the things that i've learned is seldom is it the boss giving the order per say. it is the boss creating an environment where the people who work for him know what will make him happy and know what he's worried about. and so one of the things i talk about in the book is the possible role that his fears about what could come out about what he knew, about the efforts to kill castro. the funniest part of the nixon chapter was something that my friend jack farrell, who who's here and who did a great biography of nixon, pointed me to that i hadn't known about, but i ended up investigating. there are there were some mobsters that couldn't stand nixon, and they went to and they got a tip of where nixon's some of where he kept some of his cash from the milk industry and they went to their favorite burglar and their favorite bank burglar, not robber, because that requi

nearly making, in eisenhower's words, quote, a sucker out of uncle sam. well, like president eisenhower, this administration believes in alliances, deeply believes in alliances. but make no mistake, president trump will not allow anyone to turn uncle sam into uncle sucker. thank you. and we're glad to take some questions. >> thanks very much. >> let's start with. >> all right. you were just listening to defense secretary pete hegseth speaking there at nato. i want to bring in retired air force colonel cedric leighton. also with us is cnn's fred pleitgen, who is joining us now live from moscow. to you first, cedric, he made clear reiterating what we've heard from president trump that nato countries should pay more. they want 5%, but even the u.s. doesn't pay 5% of its gdp. >> that's right. we pay about 3.36% of our gdp. so i don't know if this means that they're going to ask congress for an increase in defense spending to make it to 5% threshold, or if the europeans are going to be basically asked to move in a direction that the u.s. is not going to be mov

actually, eisenhower is the talent scout that finds he sees her and. he's like, that woman gets it. she's good with people. one on one. she can talk to anyone and she's warm. she's a track dev. she's kind of the whole package, highly intelligent, studied her briefing books like no one else. so it starts then and they go all the world on these missions. ike always says, take pat, then as first lady. as you see up here, we peru. and i think peru the beginning of this when she really starts to come into her own as diplomat and as a first as a solid diplomat. so this is may of 1970. there's horrible earthquake, as she mentioned, 70,000 peruvians died. it was a tragedy and it was one of the first televised global tragedies. so everyone watching this and, pat, saw that and said, --, i have to do something, need to go help wonder. awful humanitarian impulse. so he says, great. and her as his solar global ambassador to peru two planeloads of medical supplies all kinds of things. and then she's here on the by the way, in fabulous heels, an aqua seer which i would really love the boots and th

archive: president eisenhower also encouraged an overall- in its politics? then came the �*60s.dential election when lyndonjohnson swept to victory over the ultra up to this point, the republican party had been pretty centrist. but in 1967, the movie actor ronald reagan — of california and introduced a lot of right—wing measures. in 1980, he was elected president. one of reagan's measures, which changed the future of america, was his cancellation of the fairness licences to report in a fair and balanced way on political issues. could present the news without any regard to balance well, our world affairs editor, john simpson, is with the gore camp in nashville, tennessee. michael, till the end of the week in orderjust that this was going to be a different sort of presidency. than the other way round, started talking about america as an imperial power with a right to impose its wishes on weaker countries. allahu akbar. gunfire of the policy, the invasion of iraq, turned out to be pretty disastrous. out of iraq as quickly as they can. cheering for many liberal—minded people around

proponent and continues to be a proponent of safe and peaceful uses of atomic energy dating back to the eisenhower administration. however, we must be clear eyed that if this occurs, there will be more nuclear material and more nuclear expertise in the world. many other countries who have either signed the pledge or have expressed interest in nuclear power are nuclear newcomers who lack the institutional expertise and capacity to ensure the highest possible safety and security standards. the next generation of nuclear reactors will likely utilize -- closer to 20% enrichment instead of traditional 5%. this will challenge nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear counterterrorism norms. the final area of strategic deterrence is our naval nuclear proposing program. this program reached a major milestone last year, celebrating its 75th anniversary. i think that deserves a round of applause. [applause] since the first nuclear powered submarine, the uss nautilus went to see in 1955, the u.s. nuclear navy has steamed on a near-perfect service record, protected global shipping lanes and maintaining the assured

and so then even when he doesn't get this position of the eisenhower administration, he goes back and kind of sets up its sights. and i try to the point of what are the middle chapters that that it's this period that's extremely important in terms of thinking national security as a profession because even though he's on the outside he still is consulted by dulles who didn't like him but there were very few people town who could kind of talk to you you could throw ideas about and retain the clearances. i had a guy who kept clearances and so he's in this weird position of like outwardly criticizing the administrator and very much setting himself for a senior role in a next administration. but at the same time, he's still sort of part of machinery. and, you know, dulles still bringing him in and from his perspective. and occasionally there's, i think, some validity. he he he figures out that you can actually accomplish quite a lot in terms of crafting the narrative in terms of kind putting forward and kind of selling the idea of what is the big picture that the should be focusing on. so

jerry and war a year after the socket bombing us president eisenhower visited tanisha. this visit cemented president will gave us place on the international stage as a key strategic ally of the us in no traffic or to the box set to feel us from each different says i feel a we're seasonal prestige from 0. it don't coffee. the other side of the office, you know, i think less equal, pretty cheap. so i'm just, i'm a little bit of just profile we have to jump to therapy. isn't that stuff has to do so i've got to think of her. yeah. and yours is part of, oh yeah, i know, you know, it says hey, or maybe another toner's brand new doors, maybe the work order showing me the budget in the bonus. what am i to live with? don't matter? what do i need to have added? you know, if they're not gonna go to the yeah, but it's definitely the. yeah. the non gospel them was full set them in one. i could use that same subject to some of them all the know you have this up . she's me, you definitely as soon as long as long spelling is south that said any demo or take herself to portland or she c

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archive: president eisenhower also encouraged an overall- building programme of record proportions.d in its politics? there was a time, of course, when us politics were a great deal more consensual than now. then came the �*60s. in 1964, i reported on the american presidential election when lyndonjohnson swept to victory over the ultra right—wing candidate barry goldwater by a landslide. up to this point, the republican party had been pretty centrist. but in 1967, the movie actor ronald reagan — another right—wing republican — was elected governor of california and introduced a lot of right—wing measures. in 1980, he was elected president. one of reagan's measures, which changed the future of america, was his cancellation of the fairness doctrine in broadcasting. this required the holders of federal broadcasting licences to report in a fair and balanced way on political issues. from now on, organisations like rupert murdoch's fox news could present the news without any regard to balance or sometimes to the real facts, and soon liberal broadcasters were doing the same. the basis for

i've enjoyed this and standpointed with president eisenhower in 1950. and i wouldn't miss it.our years, they were very long. dark years, in my opinion. it's great to be back at the prayer breakfast. and i hope you all agree it's nice to once again have a president that shows up to the prayer breakfast. [applause] and agrees to be interviewed for the super bowl. they forgot about it but said oh, they hadn't done it in years. i said, yet this morning they wanted to know and i said why not, what the hell? the way i look at it, they ask a question and you give them an answer. it's not that hard. they were almost shocked when i said i'll do it, why not? i want to thank our great newly confirmed secretary of the interior, doug, who is fantastic for being here this morning. is he around? he has a good-looking wife, i want to tell you that. i want to thank you and katherine. you've been fantastic. he was running with a group of people and i said that guy's a winner. he didn't get the gravitas because you have to be controversial and in many cases, a horrible human being but he's a ver

the franklin roosevelt administration, harry truman administration, dwight eisenhower administration, the jack kennedy administration, the lyndon excuse me. yeah. jack kennedy. lyndon johnson. lyndon johnson dropped it down to 67%, but we were all good with that 67%. and is what this was that camp. that's why people only ceos only took 30 times the lyndon johnson the jimmy carter administration. i mean, it was just like, you know, throughout all this, all this time, republic and democrats alike were like, yeah, we should have a high top tax. and and now there's like all this, oh, well, we've got to cut taxes and quite, quite quick and i've talked too long as it is just, just one last thing about are okay. are we doing okay. yeah. okay. one last thing about taxes. the thing that most americans, most middle class americans don't understand is that if you are income taxes, go up now, this rule does not apply to rich people. but if the average person's income taxes go up over a period of time, typically 3 to 5 years, their wages go up, and if your income taxes go down over a period of tim

a him and his team are working with a frantic around-the-clock energy with beds moved into the eisenhowerlding so they can sleep at the office. the elon nerd army is a bunch of 18-25-year-olds who rejected seven-figure salaries to work in d.c. young engineers and black back pats underpaid patriots hitting the federal bureaucracy with ai seeing what kind of waste, fraud, and abuse bozo has for decades they audited federal agencies and nothing changed. finally trump assigned it to a pack of ways kids already saving a billion dollars a day. pink slips flying like confetti at the rnc. before they get coffee and log on. they say come into the conference room and sit down this will only take a minute. >> we started took down pride flags and books i thought were incriminating nobody was talking they started taking transcripts of our google meets automatically they unplug the news in the kitchen galleys and saturday i lost complete access to my computer. >> we spent the weekend feeding it into the wood chipper. he treated the foreign aid's office like a crime scene. at democrats tried to see what

with meager help from washington but for president eisenhower's investments in our region after world war ii, our region's economic growth has been very hard-fought, especially recently. far too often they've been traded away by wall street, big tech and washington big wigs who don't understand our region's free market struggle. all those billionaires simply love shipping our jobs to penny-wage nations and i'm truly surprised president trump has joined them. great lakes economic growth across the u.s.-canadian border has been hard-fought, not ex employ tative. middle class jobs have grown here, albeit far too slowly. and tariffs will cause a down draft on economic growth, rising prices and lost jobs. the investor class has been shipping out our jobs everywhere in the world. growing jobs in our midcontinent, freshwater economy requires cooperation, not upending u.s.-canadian relationships that have taken decades to build in both our nations and frankly both coasts have made it harder for us to ship through the great lakes or the st. lawrence seaway. wrong. we should be allowed to compe

but can have the expectation of being the permanent guarantor, as i alluded to from what even eisenhower observed post world war 2. that shift has to happen. the piece of dividend has to end. there are autocrats with ambitions around the globe from russia to the communist chinese. either the west awakens to that reality and creates combat multipliers with their allies and partners to include nato. or we will advocate that responsibility to somebody else with all the wrong values. you mentioned your we have not said in any way that we're abandoning our allies in europe. there been no decisions based on troop levels. again, that's a discussion to be had by the commander or chief in, in these high stakes negotiations. and that would most likely come later on. but there is a recognition that the ambitious of the con, the ambitions of the communist chinese or threat to free people everywhere to include america's interest in the pacific. and it makes a lot of sense just just in a common sense way to use our comparative advantages. european countries spending here in defense of this continent i

he cares enough to put seven businesses on hold to sleep on a cot in the eisenhower building and askite young to do work. they don't wear a suit and tie and work for free. that is why he's being condemned, he has to explain himself. i can't believe this is scenario we are dealing with. >> the nuance of alcove from alexus nexus, we know proper payments occurreds domestically, the reality of funding the taliban even after foreign aid was paused 40 million per week still going to the taliban for years. to that point, so many facets we are funding that threaten american safety and that somehow is lost on democrats that continue picketing on sidewalks for daring to audit our task force. >> lawrence: they look silly. >> steve: they do look silly. they look really angry. i was thinking about it, if elon musk and his team goes through everything and figures out, look at trillions we wasted, people are going to be embarrassed. wait a minute, you're okay with that? they will say, absolutely not, they will be embarrassed they supported things with trillions out the door. >> brian: in just hours

during the eisenhower administration, they were able to successfully deport a million illegal immigrantsther we obey the rules as a country or we do not. these people broke the law and the right thing is for them to go back and come in legally. that's it. they won't let in one person who comes in illegally. not one. you will say that's a small country. that's true, of course. but either you a by -- obey the rules of a country or you don't and then suffer the consequences. thank you. guest: thanks for the feedback. my job as a journalist is to inform about what the facts are, but also to share perspectives that people have considered. a lot of readers are uncomfortable and don't like it but it is our job to make sure we are representing the views of everybody in the country. the employer's of people who have immigrants moving into their communities and of the immigrants themselves, their experience working through the system. i will say, to your point about laws, there is a common misconception about what is a crime and what is not a crime. i will lay it out pretty quickly. entering the c

proponent and continues to be a proponent of safe and peaceful uses of atomic energy dating back to the eisenhower administration. however, we must be clear eyed that if this occurs, there will be more nuclear material and more nuclear expertise in the world. many other countries who have either signed the pledge or have expressed interest in nuclear power are nuclear newcomers who lack the institutional expertise and capacity to ensure the highest possible safety and security standards. the next generation of nuclear reactors will likely utilize -- closer to 20% enrichment instead of traditional 5%. this will challenge nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear counterterrorism norms. the final area of strategic deterrence is our naval nuclear proposing program. this program reached a major milestone last year, celebrating its 75th anniversary. i think that deserves a round of applause. [applause] since the first nuclear powered submarine, the uss nautilus went to see in 1955, the u.s. nuclear navy has steamed on a near-perfect service record, protected global shipping lanes and maintaining the assured

beds are being moved into the eisenhower building so elon musk men can sleep at that this.iods nerd army a bunch of 18 to 25-year-olds who rejectedn-fi seven-figure salaries in silicon valley to trim back in d.c. young engineers and black backpack and underpaid patriotst hitting the federal bureaucracy with ai and seeing what kind of, waste, fraud and abuse builds out. for decades followed 60-year-old inspector general's audited federal agencies could get them pork and reported no one read and nothing changed. finally, trump signed to a patch to my pack of whiz kids inday. saving $1 billion a day. pink slips playing like confetti at the rnc, bureaucrat showing up to the place and before they get coffee and log on, doge sayo come to the conference room and sit down, this boy take take a minute.e >>st in the building, we started and took down our pride flags and i took out books that wouldr be appropriate.as no one was talking and startedgl taking transcripts automatically of all of their needs. the little kitchen galleys, it didn't feel good and then saturday all of the webs

forward forward to the early days of the eisenhower administration and the suggestion of senator frank carlson who had been hike's campaign manager to invite the president to meet with members of the senate prayer breakfast for prayer and encouragement with his new responsibilities. the house prayer breakfast joined them and the national prayer breakfast was born. we are grateful for all of you in attendance today as we gather to pray. and as we begin this morning, i am hopeful that we remember abraham lincoln's fai mouse when they said mr. president, let us pray that god is on our side. mr. lincoln responded, no, gentlemen, we should pray that god is on our side, but that we are on god's. >> thank you, maggie. we begin this national prayer breakfast, let us pause to remember the victims and families of the recent tragic plane crashes. heavenly father, we gather today in your presence, united as one nation, lifting our hearts in thanksgiving. your word reminds us blessed is the nation whose god is the lord. we thank you for your guidance and blessings and seek your wisdom as we face th

. >> jesse: the nerd army is sleeping at the eisenhower building, working weekends and sifting throughtle sheets. doge just announced it discovered in anthony fauci exhibit at the national institute of health. which would have cost 170 grand. well that exhibit has been defunded. no department is safe. >> it is absolutely obscene. dangerous, bad, very costly and virtually every investment made is a con job. there is nothing of value to anybody unless there is a kickback scheme going on which is possible. and we're going to be doing more and more of that. we will look at the department of education and look at even our military. we will be looking at tremendous amounts of money being spent on things that bear no relationship to anything and have no value. we're talking talking about trillions of dollars r in the end it will be trillions of dollars being absolutely wasted and perhaps illegally, i would say, certainly in many cases illegally. but perhaps illegally overall. >> jesse: elon started with usaid because it was the most obvious place to start cutting. and we heard the fraudsters

trump attending the national prayer breakfast in washington today that started under president eisenhowere year before he added under god to the pledge of allegiance. now, those -- there is 40,000 workers that have accepted that buyout that represents about 2% of the federal workforce. the deadline is one minute before midnight tonight. and the office of personnel management says who opt for the buyout get paid through september without working. the offer isn't guaranteed the buyout offer was announced last week. expected that 9% to 10% of the federal employees would accept it leading to $100 billion in annual savings. the "wall street journal" reports widespread uncertainty about the buyout if it will work as advertised prevent employees take it. many democrats are issued by elon musk and department of government efficiency trying to reform the government. >> elon musk wasn't elected or appointed by anyone and the behavior and the actions that he is taking are unconstitutional. and illegal. there's nothing about co-president musk that is about saving the american people money. >> our own

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like he would sit there with his son giving up his free time sleeping in the eisenhower building in aot to make up things about social security. >> lawrence: he doesn't need it. >> brian: the ticker is awesome. comes from the federal government, i guess. that is fantastic. just show us some of these examples. and it's going to be really hard to be a democrat and curse at those rallies while you stand on the other side of that. >> steve: elon musk's son, his name is x. and carley shimkus joins us right now. carley, do you think elon named twitter x as a kid or the kid after twitter. >> carley: got to think for the letter x clearly. i think his son's name is much different. >> steve: starts with x. >> brian: xavier. >> steve: an x and some other letters. >> carley: he is so cute though. elon musk takes him everywhere with him. >> brian: some day he is going to be running the long lawrence the kid? yeah. >> emily: before that carley is going to run the world with headlines. >> carley: you are fantastic. >> steve: brock is going to run the world. >> carley: that's other news. israel's pri

but this is a beautiful tradition that started with president eisenhower in 1953 and i wouldn't miss world. four long years, really, they were very long, dark years in my opinion. it's great to be back at the prayer breakfast and i hope you all agree it's nice to once again have a president that shows up to the prayer breakfast. [cheers and applause] and that agrees to be interviewed for the super bowl. i'm doing that, too. they haven't done it in so long they forgot about it. they said oh, but they hadn't done it in years. but i said this morning they wanted to know and i said why not, what the hell? the way i look at it, they ask you a question and you give them an answer. it's not that hard. but they didn't show up for years. so they were almost shocked when i said yeah, why not? but i want to thank our great newly-confirmed secretary of the interior, doug burgum. who is fantastic by the way, being here this morning. i don't know -- where is he? where is he? with the lights i can't -- you are a handsome devil. he is a good-looking guy. an even better looking wife, i can tell you t

[laughter] this is an old eisenhower anecdote where there was a young man who went to washington and he saw that engraved on all the ped pedestals in the national or archives, and he asked a cabby what it meant, and he said that's just bureaucratic talk for you ain't seen nothing yet. we had the deepseek deep fake a come weeks ago a, and now not on only are the hyperscalers reaffirming their cap-x and doubling down on it, some of them are increasing cap-x. and i think that tells you what you need to know about the future of a.i. charles: let's talk about this, because morgan stanley out with beautiful research here, and it's talking about just, you know, the transformation p if you will. so the first chat iteration, 12021 -- 2021, costs came down again with chatgpt and now with deepseek it's down tremendously. that means more businesses are going to use it. and the good news is only 6% of companies, industries are using it. look at this, are little transportation, food and accommodation. even technology, it's barely more than 20% that are using it now. this means there's a lot of gro

but i don't know that fdr or eisenhower to pick a republican would have failed the leadership test thet to tonight, mandela, because one of the things trump initially said was he's in charge of everything, right? someone with a different style or experience might have said, well, hold on, i don't know. you want to own every lockdown and every terrible thing that's coming. i'm just a brief piece of sound on that. take a look. >> when somebody is the president of the united states, the authority is total. it's total. and the governors know that. >> the governors know that. where we ended up, as you know, and people might remember, that was the first few weeks. within a few months, he was saying, it's not my lockdown, it's the governor's lockdown. now, no one's wishing for more crises to, to prove anything. we've had enough crises. but i'm curious what you think about that history and how even politicians who want more power sometimes find it's their undoing. >> well, that's the thing. when you get these bombastic people who end up getting elected to office, they oftentimes, most more oft