eit and useful by detainees is in my view, unknowable. respect of eits, i believe nnoncoercive methods are available to elicit such information. i is for these reasons tthat fully support the president's decision to prohibit the use of eits. we ther key point in which take issue is the media within the executive branch -- the white house -- support the oes not studies instance that the agency repeatedly misled others on the effectiveness of the program. to be clear, there were instances where representation the program -- about the to use that were used by the agency was inaccurate, fell below -- we've acknowledge such mistakes. i have been firm in saying that language rest in -- pprimarily however, the study's contention that we repeatedly and intentionally misled the public and the rest of the u. s. government rests on the view that eits did produce valuable intelligence -- a point on which we still disagree. there should be trust between our organizations. the ability to come together and listen to each other's perspectives. our partne

we have not concluded that it was the use of eits within that program that allowed us to obtain useful information from detainees subjected to them. the cause and effect relationship between the use of eits and useful information subsequently provided by the detainee is in my view unknowable. irrespective of the role eits might play in a detainee's provision of useful information, i believe effective noncoercive methods are available to elicit such information. methods that do not have a counterproductive impact on our national security and on our international standing. it is for these reasons that i fully support the president's decision to prohibit the use of eit's another key

eit stands for enhanced interrogation techniques.ere he is. >> the cause and effect relationship between the application of those eit's and the ultimate provision of information is a known and unnoble. but for someone to say that -- unknowable. is. but for someone to say they didn't get it after eit's, i think it lacks intelligence at all. >> do you think the director of the cia's defense was persuasive? >> highly persuasive. if you look at what we know about opened material and the eit's provided in certain areas, for example, in identifying the importance of the career for the bin laden network. if you look at the operational picture the eit provided, again, shiri -- abu al-rahim al- nashiri and how they operated in the very beginning which we did not know and actually driving against plots who was were major, yes, there's intelligence provided. the report, in my opinion, is a joke. and i use that word -- i know it's a serious issue. but for recents that pat mentioned, not interviewing police as witnesses. >> mort, do you have thou

actually believe eits make a difference.ow we get to the necessity. was it necessary, right? and c.i.a. has for some time director panetta said it, i said it as acting director, the c.i.a. continues to say it, that we'll never know whether these techniques were necessary to get the information. in my view, charlie, after having thought about this for a long time, is that that is a bit of a cop out. that you can say that about almost anything unpleasant in the history of the united states. for example, you can ask the question was it necessary for abraham lincoln to suspend habeas corpus in order to win the civil war. we'll never know the answer to the question. was it necessary for the united states to drop atomic bombs on japan in order to force japan's surrender. we'll never know the answer to that question. so of course, it's unknowable. but the people on the ground believe it was necessary. >> rose: john brennan thinks it's unknowable because of the reasons you just said. >> i think it's politically convenient to say it'

again, i am not going to attribute that to the use of the eit's. i'm just going to state as a matter of fact the information that they provided was used. as far as the relationships with others that sometimes are complicated, i think we see in the international press right now, there is a lot of scrutiny being paid to what different partners did during that period of time. and i think there's a lot of hyperbole that is now fueling the discussion, the debate, and also then is harmful to continuing our intelligence cooperation because there is a lot of exaggeration, misrepresentation of the facts, and therefore, i think certain agendas are being pursued so i certainly wish that this would not be happening. and then finally as far as what happens if in the future there is some type of challenge that we face here, the army field manual is the established basis to use for interrogations. we, cia, are not in the detention program. we are not contemplating at all getting back into the detention program using any of those eit's. so i defer to the policymak

some of the information you get from these eits is unreliable. the question is whether some was reliable. three bush c.i.a. directors... >> some of the nfls was reliable, but not that information -- information was reliable, but not that provided by the eits. and john's point of unknowable is a punt by the white house, and a punt by john to avoid the clear conclusion, which is the accurate one of the senate report, which is eits did not provide a little information. that's a fuge. >> what do you say to the bush c.i.a. directors and clinton, james waulsey, who was on the show last night. that did work. how is there a difference of opinion. >> if only king knew. >> in a sense, i knew how the bureaucracy works. it coopts all directors. they have to rely on experts. and the experts said "look at this, here is what we have." he knows they are hardworking honourable men and women. they believe what they are told. this is an important point. the reports come - there would be a report generated by eits saying something or other would happen. action would

government rests on the committees view that detail knees subjected to eits did not subjected to eits did not produce useful intelligence, a point on which we still fundamentally disagree. now, there should be sufficient trust and credibility between our institutions enabling us to disagree the an times but also to come together and listen to each other's perspectives. our partnership with congress is crucial. in my view, there is no more important oversight relationship than the cia relationship with its its intelligence committees. particularly because we do so particularly because we do so much of our work in secret, the congress ises as a critical check on our activities closely monitoring the agency's reporting and programs when the applicant. one of the most frustrating aspects of the study is that it conveys a broader view of the cia and its officers as untrustworthy. that the institution and the workforce where is willing to forego their integrity in order to preserve a program they were were invested in and supposed by believed to be right. this in no way comports with my exp

and steven groves, eit is it torture? guest: that is the big question. if i was on the jury and you gave me elements of the crime, that it has to be severe, mental and physical pain and suffering, you have to look at the methods themselves. if you just waterboarded someone one time, people might not consider that torture. if you waterboard them 20 times within an hour, maybe it crosses the threshold. i tend to fall back on potter storks' opinion in an obscenity case. i will paraphrase by saying i do not know if i can define torture, but i will know it when i see it. guest: i think many, if not most, of the interrogations conducted by the military after 9/11 were not torture. but i think enough were that we should not be debating which ones were or which ones work. the u.s. did in fact engage in torture on some detainees in some circumstances. there is also no question that often times that torture produced inaccurate intelligence. the cia itself concluded that 26 of the 119 men subjected to the eit's were completely innocent. i think we have to be clear

again, i am not going to attribute that to the use of the eits. i'm just going to state as a matter of fact, the information that they provided was used. >> it sounds as tepid a claim about this kind of information leading to the capture of bin laden. he does not say that that information led to the capture. he simply says it was useful and it was used. there's all sorts of information in any investigation that's useful. but it isn't decisive. and what dick cheney's side of this argument has been saying all along is oh, no, no, this information, the torture-obtained information was decisive. bin laden would still be in hiding were it not for that. >> i think brennan is blurring a difference between sources and methods here. he's saying the high-value detainees had really valuable information that they used to find bin laden. and they were sources of that information. but the real question the senate was going after was, what was the method that they used to elicit that information. in this case, the senate was looking at the question of whether or

i just made the argument that eit's making difference and my officers believe eit's made a difference. now we get to the mississippi, was it necessary -- the necessity, was it necessary? the cia continues to say it. we will never know whether these techniques were necessary to the information. my view, charlie, after having thought about this, that is a bit of a copout. you can say that about anything unpleasant in the u.s.. for example, you can desk the question,, was it necessary for abraham lincoln to suspend habeas corpus to win the civil war? was it necessary for the u.s. to drop atomic bombs on japan? we will never know. of course it is unknowable. the people on the ground believe it was necessary. >> john brennan thinks it is unknowable. >> i think it is politically convenient to say it is unknowable. >> you have to understand the context. the word they use his context. give us a sense of the context. mike hayden is saying, if we had not done these things, and there had been a successful attack six months later, there would be hell to pay. people would have said, why did you no

i found out there is nothing that's out there about the efficacy of eits, the efficacy of torture that wasn't waiver? >> right. >> it's not an issue of, you know, how i view things. it's an issue of facts. these things are recorded in government documents, recorded in our report, reported in our interviews. >> people were simply using this as a justification as we got all of these results from enhanced interrogation tactics? >> my first hand knowledge i testified is that we get this information not because of the eits, not because of waterboarding and still until today, i don't know after 83 sessions of waterboarding what accurate actionable intelligence they were able to get. yes, zubada admitted he was the number 3 guy in al-qaeda but we knew when we arrested him he was not the number three guy in al-qaeda. all of the information we got from him that was actionable intelligence that helped us to disrupt the plots. >> right. >> or identify terrorists, i believe we did it way before waterboarding and with -- without the use of, you know, that controversial technique. >> were you frustr

the cause-and-effect relationship between the use of eit's and useful information is unknowable. irrespective of the role in eit's might play, i believe effective noncoercive methods are available to elicit sus intimation. methods that do not have a counterproductive impact on our national security and honor international standing. it's for these reasons that i support the president's decision to prohibit the use of vat's. host: here are the numbers if you would like to respond. "the los angeles times" leads with that story. "the new york times" editorializes what has been going on between the senate and john the report brennan's press conference. what is your reaction to all of this? scott, good morning. caller: good morning. these terrorists are in the business of killing it. they are in the business of killing americans. now we have the news that isis has beheaded for christian children. that was in the news this morning. my question is to all of those who continue to show compassion and concern for these people who want to destroy us, does the fact that isis committing these

we have not concluded that it was the use of eits within that program that allowed us to obtain useful information from detainees subjected to them. the cause and effect relationship between the use of eits and useful information subsequently provided by the detainee is, in my view, unknowable. >> democratic senator dianne feinstein attempted to fact check brennan in real time on twitter with the #readthereport. she rejected brennan's claims that it is not known if traditional intelligence methods would have worked, and that there was no cherry picking during the investigation. >>> move on now to the emotional farewell address from republican senator tom coburn who is retiring at the end of the session two years before his term actually expires. as coburn's hometown paper notes, the senator had barely began his speech before he had to stop, collect himself and begin again. so he began with an apology to colleagues for an offense he caused or may have caused over any of his years in office saying his actions were always based on a commitment to the country's founding principles. and dur

. >> there was information obtained subsequent to the application of eits from detainees that was useful in the bin laden operation. >> reporter: brennan offered a more nuanced assessment of the program and the waterboarding of 9/11 operatives and the information they provided. >> the cause and effect relationship between the use of eits and useful information subsequently provided by the detainee is in my view unknowable. >> reporter: and he echoed the sentiment that the report the a fundamental flaw because they were questioned. >> you lose the opportunity to really understand what was taking place at the time. >> reporter: the live news conference here at cia headquarters is unprecedented and reflects the impact of the democratic-led senate report on the agency and its mission. >> this is a feature, i think, of our past and one that we have to come to terms with and deal with. and this agency is determined to move forward. >> reporter: while not offering specifics, brennan said the revelations were damaging and reinforced the view among america's allies that we cannot be trusted. >> t

again, i am not going to attribute that to the use of the eit's. i'm just going to state as a matter of fact the information that they provided was used. as far as the relationships with others that sometimes are complicated, i think we see in the international press right now, there is a lot of scrutiny being paid to what different partners did during that period of time. and i think there's a lot of hyperbole that is now fueling the discussion, the debate, and also then is harmful to continuing our intelligence cooperation because there is a lot of exaggeration, misrepresentation of the facts, and therefore, i think certain agendas are being pursued so i certainly wish that this would not be happening. and then finally as far as what happens if in the future there is some type of challenge that we face here, the army field manual is the established basis to use for interrogations. we, cia, are not in the detention program. we are not contemplating at all getting back into the detention program using any of those eit's. so i defer to the policymak

the biggest is weather eit's were defensive.hey were not working and it was well-known the detain theys were getting interrogation training at the al qaeda camp. the intelligence report says the critical information could have been obtained without enhanced interrogation. six former cia directors dispute that. here is what the current cia director says. >> there was useful intelligence, very useful valuable intelligence that was obtained from individuals who had been subjected to eit. whether that could have been obtained without the use of those eit's is something that is unknowable. >> enhanced interrogation led to the capture of osama bin laden. the report disputes that and goes on to krit ties the via for management and peru tality for the enhanced interrogation program. the report was declared the democratic majority staff and not a single cia official involved in the program with interviews. during enhanced interrogation two detainees died and there was not enough ed to file charges against the officers involved. mel gwinn

. >> john brennan there talking about eits.ned it's an attempt to talk about torture by another name. it has been confirmed by the british prime minister's office that the british security services had spoken to their american counterparts and asked for redactions to the senate committee report on security grounds. malcolm riffken heads the agency. >> i had a conversation with the head of the intelligence agency and he stated quite categorically what we have now heard publicly that there were no requests to redact or to conceal anything in the report that referred to any allegations of united kingdom complicity in the treatment of detainees. that the only redactions that were being requested were with regard to operational matters, which were genuine national security issues. that's what he has said to us, of course, as part of our inquiry. we will look into that further to be absolutely satisfied. >> ben emerson is the u.n.'s special reporter on counterterrorism and human rights. he gave me his reaction to the report. >> the r

whether that could have been obtained without those eits is yet again unknowable. >> brennan repeated his feelings on the use of harsh techniques. rocked by the senate report's disclosures. bob orr, cbs news, washington. >>> coming up on the "morning news," unearthing a piece of american history. a time capsule put in place by two founding fathers is discovered in massachusetts. this is the "cbs morning news." ...and the wolf was huffing sometimes, grandpa. well, when you have copd, it can be hard to breathe. it can be hard to get air out, which can make it hard to get air in. so i talked to my doctor. she said... doctor: symbicort could help you breathe better, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. symbicort helps provide significant improvement of your lung function. symbicort is for copd, including chronic bronchitis and emphysema. it should not be taken more than twice a day. symbicort contains formoterol. medicines like formoterol increase the risk of death from asthma problems. symbicort may increase your risk of lung infectio

they say a number of things but on close examination these results were not gained from eits. the other thing i would like to point out to charlie is that petraeus,iots, -- the i respect him as much as anyone that i met in the military, was quoted in "the wall street journal" today. "if you want information from a detainee, you become his best friend. that is what worked for us with our special operators in iraq and afghanistan." david patriots will sell you the very know what the results were there were good results and we did not violate -- do the vivid petraeus will tell you that they were good results and did not violate the geneva convention. >> is maybe over the long run due best way to go, we were under enormous pressure at that moment because america have been attacked to find out as much as we can, as much as we could, as fast as we could. >> i understand that, charlie, and i think all americans shared that view at that point. but i think we also have to understand whether or not that was the most effective way. in other words, if you spend time becoming a friend and

. >> he sited a key finding that the enhanced interrogation program also known as eit's did not provide substantive leaves in the decade long hunt for al qaeda leader. >> the information contained subs went to bit's from detainees that was useful in the operation. brennan offered a an assessment of the program and the connection of waterboarding including 9-11 architect khaled sheikh mohammed. >> the cause and effect relationship between the use of the eit's and useful information subsequently provided by the detainee is in my view unknownable. >> any sentiment of the current cia officers that the report had a fundamental flaw because they were not questioned. >> we fail to understand what was taking place at the time. >> it reflects the impasse of the democratic and senate reports on the agency and its mission. >> this is a feature i think of our past and one that we have this come to terms with and deal with. this agency is determined to move forward. >> while not offering specifics the revelations were damaging and reinforced the view among american allies that we cannot be trusted.

we are not contemplating at all getting back into the detention program using any of those eit's. so i defer to the policymakers in future times when there is going to the need to be able to ensure that this country stays

. >> eit is short for enhanced interrogation techniques. brennan said he's working now to restore the faith of his work force and foreign intelligence partners. intelligence committee chairman dine an feinstein tweet add rebuttal to his statement using the #read the report. >> famous model steps forward with new allegations about bill cosby. find out what she is saying happened to her. >> and caught on video. frantic moments as an elderly man's car ends up sinking fast in water and the brave attempts to get him out. you'll see how it ends next. >> kathy? >> stormy weather in the west is creating a trough. that means a huge ridge in the east. dry conditions and sunshine for us. the weather will be getting better. i'll show when you coming up. >> and some generous holiday help. an non muss angel showed up at this toys r us are paid the bills. you don't want to miss this story when "eyewitness news" returns. ♪ >> back on "eyewitness news" now with storm trying the west coast from central california north to washington state. some houses weren'

>> i will not attribute it to the use of the eits.state as a matter of fact the information that they provided was used. >> as brennan spoke at cia headquarters, the committee chair tweeted cia helps to keep the nation safe, strong, torture does not. brennan said that there's no proof that interrogation may not be the cause of the production of information. >> the eits and the information provided by the detainee, it's own knowable. >> cia said unknowable if we could have gotten the intel other ways, studies showity knowable. cia had info before torture. brennan said is he believes that coersive methods are a strong prospect for leading to false information because a prisoner will say anything to make it stop. barbara star, cnn, the pentagon. >> the north korea, no traininger of accusations of torture as well, starvation and execution can occur for hose that defy the regime. >> two people are sharing their painful stories to the u.s. state department and with the world. we have more. >> beneath the pomp and circumstance, the north kor

and whatever your views are on eits, our nation and in particular this agency did a lot of things right during this difficult time to keep this country strong and secure.

two, information from a detainee subjected to eits played no role in the claim disruption or capture and three, the purported terrorist plot either did not exist or posed no real threat to americans or united states interest. some critics have suggested that the study concludes that no intelligence was provided from any detainee the cia held. that is false. the study makes no such claim. what is true is that actionable intelligence that was otherwise unavailable, otherwise unavailable was not obtained using the coercive techniques. the report also chronicles where the use of interrogation techniques that do not involve physical force were effective. specifically, the report provides examples where interrogator his sufficient information to confront detainees with facts. know when they were lying and when they apply and where they applied rapport building techniques that were developed and honed by the united states military, the fbi, and more recently the inner agency high value detainee interrogation group that these techniques produced good intelligence. let me make a couple of add

i was not briefed in to all of the eits early on, but let's just take one example. he was one of the three, you got to remember there were 789 detainees sent to gitmo. three out of 789 were waterboarded. there were 766 actionable intelligence reports written from abu zubaydah. common sense and lodge week tell you some of those were -- some of those reports were the result of statements that abu made after he went through the eit program. let me say this most of them -- mows of those reports came after that. once he broke then he was just a treasure trove of information. so that is kind of incontrovertible of those who were there who heard the intel reports come in. the other thing i would say is, with respect to those brave men and women at the cia, we know exactly where we were on the morning of september 11th. abu zubaday two of the individuals subjected to waterboarding were the masterminds of 9/11. they are the ones who told those 9/11 hijackers, take those box cutters, go slit the throats of airline pilots and take over the airliners, fly those airplanes in to

eits, enhanced interrogation techniques, now a part of the american lexicon. the senate report says those eits tarnished america's image without gathering any useful intelligence. the head of the cia disagreed. >> it is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. >> so here's what i'm thinking. that the cia was put in an untenable position with no desire other than to protect the nation. it wasn't pretty, mistakes were made. but they did their best. and i refuse to believe that there's some cabal of masochists who used 9/11 as a means of redirecting the agency. they had to have been thinking that these procedures worked while they were carrying them out. on thursday, cia director john brennan said it's unknowable whether they worked. michael scheuer once led the bin laden unit. michael, thanks so much for being here. you refuse to call this torture. am i right? # in other words, you don't think this was necessa

evidence that terrorists acts were stopped, terrorists captured or lives saved through the use of eits." in another she added, "coercive interrogation techniques don't work." brennan said there is no way to know whether or not the techniques provided breakthrough intelligence. >> there was useful intelligence, very useful, valuable intelligence that was obtained from individuals who had been at some point subjected to eits. whether that could have been obtained without the use of those eits, it's something again that is unknowable. >> reporter: now, brennan repeated his opposition to use of those harsh techniques. he's working to restore the faith of his workforce and his foreign intelligence partners rocked by this week's senate report disclosures. >> pelley: bob, thank you. protests continue over excessive force by police. in new york, eric garner's daughter staged a die-in on the spot where he was killed. in washington conditional staffers gathered on the southeast steps of the capitol, and yesterday medical students held a white coat die-in in boston, los angeles and new orleans. i

again, i am not going to attribute that to the use of the eits. i'm just going to state, as a matter of fact, the information that they provided was used. >> so he's refusing to decline but certainly leaving the door open. senator dianne feinstein, head of the senate intelligence committee, throughout brennan's presentation call a tweet storm, fact-checking him in realtime, in her view, on her twitter account. let's go to this point about bin laden. the senator says in her tweet that her study definitively proves eits did not lead to bin laden. the senator has a #readthereport. >> she says there's no evidence that these tactics, these interrogation tactics resulted in the u.s. at least with other information finding and then killing bin laden. what he says, john brennan says, it's possible that they did in fact help but it's not knowable. >> exactly. it's not knowable, in the view of the intelligence committee, whether the information offered up what later did become valuable and crucial intelligence in leading to finding bin laden. it's something

but he said there were clear successes through the use of eits, the enhanced interrogation techniques, including finding osama bin laden. >> there was information obtained, subsequent to the application of eits from detainees that was useful in the bin laden operation. >> reporter: and while brennan now says it is unknowable whether information could have been gained another way, i asked whether interrogators ever told cia officials at the time. >> i cannot say with certainty whether or not individuals acted with complete honesty. when i look at what went on at the time, there are clearly -- the questions about why certain techniques were used. >> reporter: brennan said he would leave it to others to decide whether the eits, such as waterboarding, demonstrated here, constituted torture, but he did tell me there is a line that should not be crossed. >> the individuals that were given the responsibility to carry out this work early on were ones that were trying to do their best and i think at times came up short. >> and martha, i wanted to get back what brennan said there. "i cannot say

two, information from a detainee subjected to eits played no role in the claimed disruption or capture. and three, the purported terrorist plot either did not exist or posed no real threat to americans or united statescs interests. some critics have suggested the study concludes that no intelligence was ever provided from any detainee the cia held. that is false. and the study makes no such claim. what is true is that actionable intelligence, that was quote, otherwise unavailable, otherwise unavailable, was not obtained using these coercive interrogation techniques. the report also chronicles where the use of interrogation techniques that do not involve physical force were effective. specifically the report provides examples where interrogators han sufficient information to confront detainees with facts,er no when they were lying and when they, and where they applied rapport-building techniques that were developed and honed by the united states military, the fbi and more recently the inneragency high value detainee interrogation group called the h hhaig. let me make.a a couple comments

. >> i am not going to attribute that to the use of the eit's, i'll just state as a matter of fact the information they provided was used. >> as brennan spoke at cia headquarters, senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein tweeted, cia helps keep our nation safe, strong. torture does not. brennan said there is no proof enhanced interrogation was the reason detainees offered up useful intelligence. >> the cause and effect relationship between the use of eit's and information provided by the detainee is in my view unknowable. >> feinstein on twitter, cia says unknowable if we could have gotten the intel other ways. studies shows, it is knowable. cia had info before torture. >> now brennan said he does believe coercive interrogation can lead to a detainee, prisoner giving false information because sometimes they will say anything to make it stop. erin. >> thank you, barbara. >>> and now adam prez, and who was in the room for the press conference and i heard you asking questions. this seems unprecedented and you may look at the screens, you have a locator, where it is. it says wa

brennan defended enhanced interrogation techniques, or eit's to reporters, dianne feinstein was busy live tweeting rebuttals to his claims. >> the cause and effect relationships between the use of eit's and useful information provided by the detainee is, in my view, unknowable. >> dianne feinstein responded that there is no evidence attacks were stopped or lives saved. >> it is our view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. >> dianne feinstein said no. the study proved interrogation did not lead to his chapter referencing the page number. >> john brennan stopped short of using the word "torture." saying the u.s. keeps. the world strong president obama condemned techniques like waterboarding and sleep deprivation which according to him, any reasonable person would consider torture. >> to nigeria. the country held primary elections on thursday. in a run up to the presidential poll. that will pit the former military ruler against goodluck jonathan. he

al-qaeda leader and his compound in pakistan. >> there was information contained subsequent to the eits that was useful. >> brennan offered a nuanced assessment. including 9/11 architect colleague mohammed in the information they provided. >> the cause and effect relationship between the use of eits and useful information subsequently provided by the detainee is in my view unnoticeable. >> he echoed the sentiment of cia officers that the report had a fundamental flaw because they were never questioned. >> you lose the opportunity to really understand what was taking place at the time. >> the live news conference at cia headquarters is unprecedented. and it represents the impact. >> this is a feature, i think, of our past. and one that we have to come to terms with and deal with. this agency is determined to move forward. >> while not offering specifics, brennan said the revelations were damaging and reinforced the view that we cannot be trusted among america's allies. >> there are things we do with our partner services under our authorities that we have covert action authorities and cov

no evidence that eit's or methods used bite cia caused any severe pain or suffering.evere is long- term or permanent. 182 water boardings and one 83rd was not permanent measure. >> and severe pain. much of what they talked about. sleep deprivation and cold food served, that doesn't sound like torteur? >> standing for four hours and switching from hot to cold food and just awful conditions, jon. they are designed for the protection of the united states. the services are not designed to get awards from amnesty international. and just because the political climate changed, thank god our laws protect us from law makers taking the u.n. out for an ice cream cone. >> these methods were approved by the justice department, right? >> yes, i think what you are going to request about the mention of prosecution, not only the interrogators and the lawyers who wrote the memos and justifying the eit's. there is nothing more silly than hearing something like that. first of all, the justice department sanctioned the activities and they were ordered to perform those interrogation and th

and whatever your views are on eits, our nation and in particular this agency did a lot of things right during this difficult time to keep this country strong and secure. >> but was the program worth it? here's more from john brennan. >> detainees who were subjected to eits at some point during their confinement, subsequently provided information that our experts found to be useful and valuable in our counterterrorism experts. >> do you think the bin laden case can be attributed in some part to enhanced interrogation techniques or torture? >> it is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. >> so throughout the 45-minute news conference, brennan never used the word torture once. he said officers involved in the program did what they were asked to do in the service of our nation. so, bob, yesterday you suggested former cia directors george tenant, michael goss, lied, do you want to add a fourth and a friend of boem -- obamas? >> i didn't