ekman. mr. lord is chomping at the bit here. >> i'd like to respond to dr. ekman's point. in fact, that was the key recommendation of our may 2010 report was to have an independent panel review the results of this current air validation effort. we think it's very important for a panel to be established that has no ties to the current program, that's not an advocate of the current program to help weigh in on this very issue. i think it's very interesting that the panel shows a lack of consensus which was the basic point i made in my earlier statement. there's to scientific -- >> well, a subject like this you'd expect to be a broad range of disagreements. has the panel, like what you're recommending, been suggested in one of the budgets or lined out somewhere, or is something -- >> yeah. dhs agreed to establish an independent panel to review the methodology as well as to review the final results, but as mr. willis indicated, the the final results of this latest validation effort have only recently been submitted, i believe he said as of last night. >> i think i've run out of

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ekman. mr. lure, he's chomping to the bit here. >> i want to respond to dr. ekman's point. that was the conclusion of the may, 2010, report was to have a study of this a.i.r. validation effort. we think it's very important for a panel to be established that has no ties to the current program, that's not an advocate of the current program, to help weigh in on this very issue. i think that's very issue that the panel today shows a lack of consensus which was the basic point i made to my earlier statement. there is no scientific -- >> well, a subject like this you expect to be a broad range of disagreements. has the panel like what you're recommending been suggested in one of the budgets or lined out somewhere or is this something -- >> agreed to review the methodology of this so-called a.i.r. report but it's mr. willis that indicated the final results of this final validation effort has only recently been submitted, i believe he said, as of last night. >> i think i ran out of time so i'm going to yield back. >> thank you all for being here. i share the frustration with some o