el e. joseph. good to have you on this program. >> thank you to have made. -- for having me.is: that is some strong language from this person that we know as america's he's maker. -- peacemaker. >> it is significant of king and carmichael's relationship. they mentor each other and become the union and yang will we think about the second half of the 1960's and the black freedom struggle. a frictions always and tension between the two of them. they love each other. they were friends with each other. there was a tension and a friction between nonviolent and the other way. tell me about that dialectic. tostokely carmichael comes the united states in 1941 and is part of the student nonviolent coordinating committee. he is a young activist and is arrested 27 times. he starts to argue that black people need to have radical political self-determination. he is militantly nonviolent and, over time, that transforms. tavis: why? >> because of the experiences. he sees people getting murdered. one of his dear friends is a white activist, named johnson daniels. that has a transformative eff