elaine kamarck joins me now.he was a senior adviser to vice president al gore during the reinventing government initiative. she's now a senior fellow and founding director at the center for effective public management at the brookings institution, and a lecturer in public policy at the harvard kennedy school of government. elaine, good to see you. thank you for being with us today. i really wanted to talk to you after i read about you and the work that you did in the clinton-gore administration. it's got to betle insulting to suggest that what dodge is doing is a mirror of what you did. >> well. >> you know, it starts out with this sort of similar premise that you should take a good look at the government and see where there are efficiencies, etc. but the method they're using is just outrageous. okay. they are paying no attention to consequences, which is why, by the way, they're having to backtrack all the time. they cut people who were working on avian bird flu. that's, by the way, running up the cost of eggs.

elaine, good to have you back. elon musk last night. he was touting the tariffs. he was touting all of the, you know, what he describes as his accomplishments so far in the past six weeks. how have you seen them? what stood out to you? >> look. >> i did. >> this in. >> the clinton administration, okay? >> i was a government. >> employee who had to put in a financial statement. i had to take security tests. >> et cetera. >> and get a security clearance. >> none of this has musk had to do. the big difference, though, is. between what we did. >> 32 years ago in the clinton. >> administration, and now is that they are doing many things. >> which. >> nobody thinks are legal. so just yesterday, there was another federal court decision that said, and it was funny the way he phrased it. the judge said under no law in american history, nor any law in the universe, does opm have the authority to hire and fire people outside of their agency. so this whole thing is on very tenuous legal grounds and has been from the beginning.

joining me now is elaine kamarck. she led former president clinton's national performance review and is a senior fellow at brookings. thank you for being with me this morning. let's start here with just how your process as you watch the doge effort five and a half weeks in how your process compared to the maye musk approach to increasing efficiency. >> well. >> the big thing was that we had a mandate to cut. >> costs. >> which we did to cut. >> personnel, but we also. >> had a mandate to make the government work better. so the. >> title of our first report was called. >> creating a government that works better and costs less. so we were as concerned with process and customer service, for instance. we introduced the first customer service mandate into the federal government. and you'll see how this is going to play out. now, people filing their taxes this time around are going to have a heck of a time getting through to the irs because of cuts. their refund checks might be slow. there's a lot of things that americans j

this level is elaine, who is urging everything should be done to ensure that there is no to re run of november's presidential election with george call. i was calling to ask you coming top of that poll. now he was in court in the last day to appeal decision to bring those charges against him saying this, this is a political witch hunt and that she is not guilty one. i am innocent too. it is a political case. and 3, i saw parts of the case on antenna 3, which we do not have. my lawyers do not have. we do not have the details of the case. that is why i would as comrade prosecutor, dancer schwartz you, let's go to give me that access to because i do not have the details. i will continue to tell you that it is a political case that has been investigated. i am innocent, we are moving forward. we are the people. we are romania pull that you have it. so i'm calling georgia, screw himself. he has not been given access to the file noise. i have his new is a movie allegations as it has the keys. don't, but of course the evidence remained use prosecution office believes it has against him, and h

here's elaine to take on the shelf halfway, replacing crickets champions, trophy final german actually have the latest coming up in the the the sports news of jim and ash was in the studio with us. jim, thank you. 0. also wanted to make that all set to assess his side was phenomenal. off today's thrashed p s b 71 to take a massive step towards the champions. the course of finals also had failed to school in the previous 2 games with no problems of finding the back of the nest. and this one also is captain martin at about getting to, if that goes soon became the 1st to school 7 away from home and attempt to use the to know count simon to come to the 2nd light is next wednesday at the moment. nobody in the room if i gave you an envelope, say, can you predict what's gonna happen tomorrow on who is going to is go to the does a beautiful book you're 9 football is and you know what it was today, but you all had to be humble analyze how you can improve, because then there's gonna be going to be a complete defend to this one and nobody can ride to this great. but unfortunately, even we would l

from the very top of the process or late from the commission president to the self those levels. elaine, who is urging that everything should be done to ensure that there is no to re run of november's presidential election with george call, i was calling to ask you coming top of the pole. now he was in court in the last day to appeal decision to bring those charges against him saying this, this is a political witch hunt and that she is not guilty one. i am innocent too. it is a political case. and 3, i saw parts of the case on antenna 3, which we do not have. my lawyers do not have. we do not have the details of the case. that is why i would as comrade, prosecutor dance, rush forward. she left school to give me that access to because i do not have the details. i will continue to tell you that it is a political case that has been investigated. i am innocent, we are moving forward. we are the people we are romania pull that you have it. so i am calling georgia screw himself. he has not been given access to the file. neither have his new is a bully allegations that she's accused of. and of

spent, as he uses the in the front them up very and see where the bunch, these are the see me here. elaine with the united states of america has policies. so when i read, we come to this clip doing that, you know, we will be great if you, if you align with my boss, is it, like i said, this is the right to say the price. it is exactly all to find you in the day. otherwise, no, so i don't know, he may be right in the service that there is, there's no point because the from the low terms to expect that to him giving money for the kind of, you know, in his speech also, you know, mother didn't many times and every go oh for or you know, so generally they go, we have a mass, all types of programs which reach the home as a business spanish the high. hm. so lovely thing. so you don't really use as professors. what is definitely the vicious plans? um, so we'll have to just wait and see how things play out. it's definitely going to be interesting to watch. anyway. thank you so much for speaking to us today. i really appreciate your time, please be think for the full my indeed on boss of the to a med

their reliance on a us commercial company, stalling, which is owned by one of trump's key advisors. elaine moss, on sunday, the u. k. hosted meeting of european leaders, the greed of 5 point plan for ukraine of the presidency. lensky signs a deal to give the us access to his rhetoric, minerals under the plan, the u. k. and friends would lead a peacekeeping force. but that sold in dow talk to vice president j. d events told fox news the us wouldn't give an overall security guarantee you back stop to the platter and cheese, if you want to actually insure the vladimir putin does not in vain, you create again. the very best security guarantee is to give americans economic upside in the future of ukraine. that is a way better security guarantee than 20000 troops for us from some random country that has a photo of war in 30 or 40 years ago. them slate to said he wasn't referring to the u. k. o from is that random country. his comments have caused a rule and to close allies for the long side of the us. and i've got a strong and a new case case in the rock to one defense expert, a combat veteran s

thank you, elaine. thank you so much for a great report and i agree with my fellow commissioners that, you know, the port does an outstanding job in helping the city prepare and execute events but we really don't get a lot of the credit and just the fact that there was so many people here for the all-star game for the new year's eve, the lunar new year parade and so many other events and i think it went flawlessly. i thought the city just did an outstanding job overall managing that many people at one time and so many of them were here on our waterfront and enjoying our waterfront. so again, i want to congrats to staff because they do an amazing job in making the city look good along with our beautiful waterfront. i think it's absolutely wonderful that we're partners that mike participated in the offshore wind conference because i think that would be a big opportunity for us and i think it's good that we have to let the state and everyone else know that we're interested and we're ready and we're prepare

it's elaine khan, a wide open for 3. it's good to was gonna lead the way tonight with 19 points and 6 rebounds 2nd quarter. now we're courtney ogden to dmitri here. what happens here? i've been asked before pulls by her defender for a wide open layup and well, the cartilage 31 to 23 after georgia. take now on top, though, in the 4th. but more of the same from ogden, 16 on the night from ogden, the cardinal back on top by one a little more than 2 left in this one. the cardinal leading by 4 tests, he'll cutting baseline. she drives baseline to still driving, able to get to to go. does lead to 6 and that's pretty much all stand for would need to hold on and win this one. 87 to 82 the final in the cardinals favor. >> that suspect to you guys that >> all right. still on the kron, morning news east bay trail. >> just cleaning up some trees. the city hopes is gonna help make the trails much safer. we'll be right back. for all those making it big out there... ...shouldn't your mobile service be able to keep up with you? get wifi

it's elaine khan, a wide open for 3. it's good to was gonna lead the way tonight with 19 points and 6 rebounds 2nd quarter. now we're courtney ogden to dmitri here. what happens here? i've asked before goes by her defender for a wide open layup and well, the cartilage 31 to 23 after georgia. take now on top, though, in the 4th. but more of the same from ogden, 16 on the night from ogden, the cardinal back on top by one a little more than 2 left in this one. the cardinal leading by 4 tests. he'll cutting baseline. she drives baseline to driving, able to get to to go. does lead to 6 and that's pretty much all stand for would need to hold on and win this one. 87 to 82 the final in the cardinals favor. >> that suspect to you guys that >> thank you, aaron. all right. well, you have a chance to be part of san francisco park history by participating in the great park naming contest part of our fight. james. and i think we both came with a better idea because the point you with the name to the late great highway since the passin

it's elaine khan, a wide open for 3.od to was gonna lead the way tonight with 19 points and 6 rebounds 2nd quarter. now we're courtney ogden to book dmitri here. what happens here? i've been asked before back bulls by her defender for a wide open layup and well, the card with 31 to 23 after georgia. take now on top, though, in the 4th. but more of the same from ogden, 16 on the night from ogden in the cardinal back on top by one, a little more than 2 left in this one. the cardinal leading by 4 tests. he'll cutting baseline. she drives baseline to still driving, able to get to to go. does lead to 6 and that's pretty much all stand for would need to hold on and win this one. 87 to 82 the final in the cardinals favor. >> that suspect to you guys that >> all right, erin, thank you. it is a 52. and coming up in the next hour, the kron 4 morning news. yeah, we're going to take a look at what was going on in san francisco was going on in san francisco on this day in the bay. ♪ yeah, baby, i like it like that ♪ ♪ you gotta belie

it's elaine khan, a wide open for 3. tonight with 19 points and 6 rebounds 2nd quarter. now we're courtney ogden to dmitri here. what happens here? i've asked before that goes by her defender for a wide open layup and well, the cartilage 31 to 23 after georgia. take now on top, though, in the 4th. but more of the same from ogden, 16 on the night from ogden, the cardinal back on top by one a little more than 2 left in this one. the cardinal leading by 4 tests. he'll cutting baseline. she drives baseline to driving, able to get to to go. does lead to 6 and that's pretty much all stand for would need to hold on and win this one. 87 to 82 the final in the cardinals favor. >> that suspect you that that it's 10, and women's history here on kron 4. we are highlighting special women and we've got 3 to tell you about honored as woman of the year in their counties in sonoma county, its thea hensel. she's being recognized for her work developing a park in santa rosa. she has been 15 years securing 49 acres. former caltrans property

elaine kamarck, who worked on the effort, has noted that the gorka mission did not get sued even once during its efforts. by contrast, doge has gleefully taken a chainsaw to the federal government, dismantling agencies and firing workers with abandon. many have had to be rehired within days because it turned out that they were working on sensitive issues like nuclear security or infectious diseases. and there are now dozens of court challenges to doj's actions, with one judge even questioning the constitutionality of doge itself. what explains the difference? i think that doge is, in part, a well-intentioned effort to get more efficiency from government, which i applaud, but a good part of it is performance art playing into the fantasies of the maga movement to crush the establishment and its elites in the most humiliating way possible. in october, propublica revealed that the man who now heads the office of management and budget russell vought said of federal workers in a private speech, when they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increas

. >> with elaine right now? no. >> i'm sorry, i don't think so. >> mr.>> i'm not. >> i'm not. >> following you. which came out of nowhere, which surprised us. because nobody had asked him where he buried the body. nobody had asked him about where he buried the body. we were calling him about his vehicle, and the day before we never talked about burying the body. keith morrison: very, very strange. and most certainly interesting. when they found out why jones seemed so out of it, he just taken an overdose of sleeping pills, after leaving for his wife what appeared to be a suicide note. my dearest love, he wrote. i've prayed all night and this morning. i've asked for his forgiveness. i want you to know how much i love you. you're the best thing that has happened to me. please forgive me. and then he added this. tell the cops to get-- i never did it, but i can't be railroaded. jones recovered quickly. but his actions that day remained a mystery, because he wasn't talking anymore to investigators. the evidence was definitely pointing toward lester jones, but

it's elaine khan, a wide open for 3.od to was gonna lead the way tonight with 19 points and 6 rebounds 2nd quarter. now we're courtney ogden to broke dmitri here. but what happens here? i've been asked before bulls by her defender for a wide open layup and well, the cartilage 31 to 23 after georgia. take now on top, though, in the 4th. but more of the same from ogden, 16 on the night from ogden, the cardinal back on top by one a little more than 2 left in this one. the cardinal leading by 4 tests. he'll cutting baseline. she drives baseline to still driving, able to get to to go. does lead to 6 and that's pretty much all stand for would need to hold on and win this one. 87 to 82 the final in the cardinals favor. >> that suspect to you guys that this. >> i was like very advanced by not say we didn't want all you got to places so many years when why the water away the attention of put your money, unity, >> still ahead here to smash burger joints is bringing how east bay showing up and supporting one another. break. sports

and maura elaine sleehy. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. kennedy: thank you, mr. president. mr. president, i want to talk for a few moments about income t tax filing season. i realize, mr. president of the senate, that you would probably prefer to be condemned to hearing o.j. jokes for the rest of eternity than to hear my talk about federal income tax filing, but it's important for my people in louisiana because we have a new deduction for people who have uninsured losses. uninsured losses from natural disasters. it's really important in my state because many of my people have suffered damages for which they did not receive insurance payments from hurricanes laura, delta, ida and francine. we passed this new deduction, mr. president, in december. it's called the federal disaster tax relief act, and what it does is the following. it changes the law. it now says that if you, if you're a victim of a natural disaster like a hurricane, and you have a loss that's not paid for by your insurance, you can now deduct off your income tax dollar for dollar any property damage