let's talk to elaine pearson she's the australian director of human rights watch and she joins us highland thank you very much for being with us on our program today australia's government has a very strict refugee policy as we mentioned in that report and it argues that this policy helps to crack down on people smugglers by turning back boats isn't that the government's duty. well look i mean the government acknowledges that this policy is harsh it says it's harsh but effective but honestly any policy that rests on a human sacrifice of two thousand people who have been stuck on menace island in papa new guinea and on over the past four years their lives in limbo some of them have committed suicide many of them. you know it's not worth it i mean you can't have this kind of policy that basically rests on sacrificing human life in order for its success so this is why it's extremely problematic and let's face it the majority of the people who are on menace i'm never happy thousand to be refugees that means they have a legitimate fear of persecution and they had every right to leave their home

israeli it doesn't mean that they are leaving their countries to seek asylum in a lot of places ok elaine pearson the australia director of human rights watch a thank you for joining us on our program today you're watching news still the com era boss is in trouble in america after admitting some of the statements to the u.s. government were not completely accurate that comes on top of corruption charges here in europe. benghazi one has the details coming up in one minute. w.'s program guide. dot com pilots. were flying fighters want to stop by millers to become farmers or engineers every one of them as a prime of the an issue for you to. kiss the children who have already been the boy and those that will follow are part of a new process. they could be the future. granting opportunities global news that matters d. w. made for mines. and the. world trade continues to boom german engineering firms order books a full european commission reports ever rising confidence of what happened to the rise of protectionism. multibillions their bus while dealing with corruption charges in europe the company now