elattrache?> absolutely, it's heartbreaking when i hear some of the stories and i have a friend who's a breast reconstructed surgeon and his practice is geared towards reconstructing young women who are affected with a breast cancer. he can't help them. people are desperate and in my profession, people who have been lumped into the big category of people with elective surgery and their livelihoods are being affected by the problems that they have let alone how the outcome is ultimately going to be if these things are delayed. so we as a society have to get n handle on this because we are unfortunately going to be living side-by-side as humans with the virus on this planet for the foreseeable future if not forever to some degree. we don't get better data to handle the problem and control the virus, the virus will control us. >> laura: doctor, thank you so much and coming up a few weeks ago they told us we would not have to change hernk behaviors. now, most americans are on total lockdown for over

elattrache just said, close to .1%, that's a very different response, perhaps, that would have been called for by the government. >> absolutely. the ih me has done a terrible job of predicting. i'm shocked that fox still has anyone on given the fact that sometimes they've overestimated matters by 200%. i think we need to move on to more reliable modelers. >> laura: gentlemen, thank you so much, great seeing both of you doctors tonight. and the coronavirus pandemic has been of course devastating, but it's also exposed the incompetence of the world health organization. now, the organizations and buttons stems in large part from the group's director. if you have truly into his past, but tedros is not actually a medical doctor. in fact, he's the first w.h.o. had not to have an md, but don't worry, he did serve as a marxist revolutionary! not joking, by the way. tedros joined the tigre people's liberation front, which help to overthrow ethiopia's government back in 1991. this is the same group the u.s. state department labeled a terrorist organization due to its "violent activity before it beca