i personally favor what secretary eldon does, which is to get rid of it entirely.here are different ways of blunting it. senator manchin, i am not sure the votes in the senate were there. if ever there were an issue to more stridently campaign on and try to push for, this would have been an issue i would have gone to -- for. >> i can see william is still adamant there will never be a change to this debt ceiling. >> i do not first see them having the votes anytime. >> the u.s. is not an island. it may be a superpower, but it is certainly influenced by the rest of the world. is there no pressure that can come from outside the u.s. to force a change? given that it's actions to hold the rest of the global financial system hostage? >> if u.s. does not come to a plausible conclusion, the consequences could be quite disastrous. especially for countries that are holding u.s. treasury bills. chances are it is not going to be the case that the treasury bonds are secure for investors. that might impact country's decisions to keep buying. their willingness to buy is the key is

as well as a criminal one if needed, we saw loadout from who used to represent louise eldon's and thenso saw a district or terry come out saying they are going to investigate. i think the big point is, it's not about them, lying it's about the campaign finance and what he did. fall where to the money come from? are there any problems related to that? >> and it's about the money. all right, thank you very much. if you have any other movements and you want to come back, let us know about this meeting. kurt and brian are sticking around, because there's more for us to discuss and just a little bit. i will see you too later. coming up, folks, i've got more of my exclusive interview with january 6th elect committee chairman bennie thompson, and we'll get into the committee's decision on criminal referrals. plus, we get an update on the witness interview transcripts the committee has been releasing. first, my colleague, jessica layton, is here with today's other new stories. happy new year, jessica. >> happy year to you, simone. what a busy start to 2023. stories we're watching at this hour,

that and i think we're gonna keep an eye on his treasurer, nancy, marks the same treasure as lees eldons well as many other paxson llcs. she has about 60 under her knee registered to her address. she's moving a lot of money around in between these, and it's hard to say if that's the source of the money but it's definitely keeping me interested. >> she came up in other reporting and people were saying we have to talk to nancy. she's the one keeping the books. presumably people will want to talk to her. >> i spoke to a candidate in 2020 that had her easel treasurer, and i asked, him how did you get connected? he said oh, somebody just said oh you want to treasurer? go to nancy. she'll take care of you. >> so you've got investigators, the nance nasa folks, the other thing is the house freshman republican class. despacito, an adjacent district, also long island district, he's looking around, he won a biden district plus 50, one of the aspects upsets of the whole thing. he understands the incentives here are not, he doesn't want to run in 2024 as, like, tweety and wheedle dom with jet george