but the electoral college, in fact, is just states making choices about what to do with electors kindf in a writ large way. we tend to have rules and accept them as immutable. and then every now and then we realized, oh, we don't have to. and the slogan from the constitution is a more perfect union. and every now and then we realize we can make this betterd develop with a guy named john kooser, who has a book called every vote equal. the presidential election to bee popular vote in all 50 states and d.c. on a one person, one vote basis . doesn't actually take change in the constitution. it takes states working together through this compact. and we've had about 15 states pass this proposal. it doesn't change anything until the number of states that have passed it collectively have a majority of the electoral college. at that point -- soledad: what number are you up to? rob: about 196. it needs to get up to 270. once you have a least a majority of the electoral college, they will collectively give all of their electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote in all 50 states and d.c. a

what we have is a lot of different reform efforts that are attempting to overturn how the electoral collegeks. mostly there is a national popular vote reform that really argues what should happen is whoever wins the national popular vote, that state's electoral votes should go to that candidate. i will tell you i think that is a horrible idea and it is a horrible idea not because it seems unfair, but in fact because in practicality i think it would cause even more angst at the system than the system we have now. i cannot envision a scenario where a republican won the national popular vote and everyone in california would say, yes, isn't it great? all of our electors should go to the republican candidate as well. that is not something i imagine californians would be pleased to see, all 55 electoral votes going to a republican candidate that they clearly did not vote for at the popular vote level. host: going back to early history, george washington by acclamation in two elections, but early on it became clear the system was not functioning as they hoped. what happened? dr. brown: what is so

>> what you're saying is thatav if we didn'tthe electoral college, we would just be -- americans are so selfish, they're only going to consider at's good for new york and l.a. and seattle. >> or if i'm a candidate, i'gonna go campaign in the population centers in order to get the most votes. >> right now, they don't go even can california or new york, and they never get a visit. that is just wrong. it's just -- it's just not -- >> well, that's not true. every sing candidate comes through new york city every week and twice on sunday. >> well, because it's the media catal. and it's the money capital, so they come here to get money. >> and they go to silicon valley for money, and they go to l. >> they don't go to schenectady. they don't go to schenectady. >> tt's true. a they don't go t grass valley, california, so... in i guess the point i'm m though, is, doesn't the electoral college, because it less-representedkon with parts of the country... >> that was not the reason it was set up. >> but it's one of the effects now. i agree. >> slave states, so they could count their slaves as 3/5

the electoral college needs to go. the impeachment power is going to be used in such a way that it will also be gone? every single structural barrier is going to be politicized to the point where all checks on power are actually going to be undermined. >> i want to pursue this with you. what is this force? and why is this party -- i mean in the aggregate, why is this party trying to tear down the barriers that the constitution sets to protect liberty? i want to ask you about that when we come back. ladies and gentlemen, don't forget you can join us on levin tv most weeknights. go to blaze tv.com/mark to sign up or give us a call at 844-levin-tv. we will be right back. we're oscar mayer deli fresh, and you may know us from your very first sandwich, your mammoth masterpiece, and whatever this was. oscar mayer is found in more fridges than anyone else, because it's the taste you count on. make every sandwich count. so to breathe better i started once-daily anoro. ♪go your own way copd tries to say go this way i say i'll g

a olutely, yes. >> so, help me understand then, if we got rid of the electoral college, how would we be paying any attention to michiga pennsylvania, or wisconsin right now? >> what you'reaying is that if we didn't have the electoral college, we would just be -- americans are so selfish, they're only going to consider what's good for new york and l.a. and seatt. >> or if i'm a candidate, i'm gonna go campaign in the population centersth in order to gemost votes. >> right now, they don't go ever campaign in california or new york, and they never get a visit. that is just wng. it's just -- it's just not -- every single candiomesue. through new york city every week and twice on sunday. >> well, because it's the media capital. and it's the money capital, so they come here to get money.o >> and theo silicon valley for money, and they go to l.a. they don't go to schenectady.dy. >> tt's true. >> and they don't go t grass valley, california, so...t >> i gue point i'm making, though, is, doesn't the electoral college, because it forces us to reckon with less-represented parts of the country..

the electoral college creates a fire wall. an steal as many votes as you want from chicago and it won't give illinois more electoral votes. it's a fantastic fire wall against voter fraud. and it allows us to have outcomes of elections known within a few days. otherwise it would be like the iowa caucuses where you might never know hot winner of an election was because they will just keep counting and recounting. mark: the idea that you can't have the cities control a whole country. we have farmers. we can't eat without farmers. if they are not represented just because they are more rural states, more rural areas, then their interests aren't represented in congress either. or different kinds of industries, commercial fishing industries. you can't have the top then metropolitan areas in the country running the country, because you cease to be a country and you see the diversity taking place. >> you hear the coastal elites making public of the rubes in the middle. that tells you we are not all the same. if they had the same values

>> aligned electoral college where if you read hamilton on the electoral college, he's super proud and the reason is, the electoral college is what he's going to stand between the people and the demagogue. which hamilton, the founding era would have been called democracy. what standing in between is the electoral college and they choose the president and if the people who really want the demagogue, the electoral college is going to say no. now we have inverted that entirely because the people did not elect a demagogue. they rejected a demagogue by 3 million growth in the electoral college are having kind of lost faith in the original vision of it which would exercise independent judgment. we installed the demagogue in the face of the popular rejection of it so it's actually quite a -- i don't know whether the conclusion of it is that he got it wrong since he was imagining the electoral college behaving in a different fashion that it did whether it's actually these intermediary institutions often don't work as well, notably the other to media airy institution that we have used long afte

reference tos a versus the vote electoral college. often when democrats lose, they want to change the rules, to do away with the electoral college when it does not suit them, add to the united states supreme court when it does not suit them. with the truly elected a president based on the popular vote alone, it would change the way you campaign. the president has said that many times and it is just common sense. the president and republicans, anybody would have a lot more in new york, to campaign in those places almost exclusively. that is the reason why electoral college exists. it is amusing for us. look what happened with iowa caucuses where pete buttigieg came out and declared victory before anyone knew. as we sit here, there has not been a final tally actually announced and certified in iowa a couple of weeks later. pete buttigieg ran out of town e hesaid i won iowa because he got one more delve it -- delegate than bernie did. it is declaring victory in iowa's state version in its own electoral college. hesuits pete buttigieg whe

worked out with the electoral college. if that is your problem now, i can well imagine how you feel if, as i expect, donald trump is reelected in 2020 this year. maybe gets a few more seats on the supreme court. i think at that point, maybe people will say i want to respect democracy, and that means secession. host: connecticut, this is gary. good morning. caller: i wanted to speak to the notion of secession as a sleeper issue. ofulting from the failure reconstruction and the failure to properly punish the traitors who raised their hand against the constitution of the united states and the government of the united states. during reconstruction, slowly but surely, blacks were suppressed. jim crow laws came into being. southerners still refer to the war as the war of northern aggression. the lost cause. these people have been waiting to have a voice, and state -- and they now have one in the president. if you look to the issue of monuments, i do not know if you are aware of the colfax massacre in louisiana. there is a monume

. >> guest: the electoral college was a big discussion in 1787 with the framers. it's to give a voice and that is what we have and you are right. frankly that is something that roger sherman from connecticut gave us and he should be a hero for conservatives because the electoral college to wait. that is just an accident. it didn't have to happen that way but this is how it turned out. if you want to get a constitutional change, you don't -- it would probably have been most likely the threat of secession. we may not want to have for example a passport for these are the kind of discussions you have to have.ha >> you think americans today would be less willing to fight to keep the union together likee they did. >> guest: one hopes there is no crazy south carolina out there. i don't think that we see an end in office they are going through the list of the best and worst presidents. there were a lot of things wrong with buchanan in the era of racist scum he was about the most racist of all that he said something that made a lot of toomey. he was talking about south car

as for the electoral college you can make a lot of arguments or make for and against it.against the basic norm underline our constitution and that's democracy. the idea across the country totally inconsistent with the electoral college. the framers knew that. they had argue against people like ntmedicine who didn't want anything like that. the framers most of them thought, we don't want small states to be swallowed up by lithe big ones.the big ones back then were virginia and pennsylvania. the big ones today are new york and california. same argument. >> jim on twitter is one of our s longtime viewers. he often tweets every day stuff this is his comment on this segment. maybe we could start to respect the 10th amendment the 10th amendment of course the powers not delegated to the united states by the constitution nor prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states prospectively or to the people.t >> maybe that would be good only it's kind of late to bring in. 10th amendment it's not had too much staying power. it's not influence the debate very much. i agree i'd

i like the electoral college. it puts balance in our lives.ical process. she lost because she was lazy in my view. donald trump campaigned her and peter, we'll see what happens the next election but we're not going to do away with the electoral college, i can pretty much assure you of that. liz: in other words, looks like democrats wanted to have it both ways. dnc emails get leaked in summer 2016. democrats went on the move. pay for the steele dossier. steele's own sources depunked his work. fusion gps shops to it fbi in late summer of 2016. dhs watchdog said fbi didn't verify it, investigate it, didn't throw it out after hairing in january of 2017 democrats paid for it. got fisa wiretaps based on it anyway. here is the kicker, when doj officials asked jail comey if there was probable cause that page was a agent of foreign power, comey said the steele does say was uncorroborated at at that time didn't mean it was not viable. what about other fbi cases could they get tossed based on the steele dossier information? could any cases in the mueller

host: do you think the inclusion of the electoral college, the voting by electors in the constitutionas partly a response to that in terms of why they included it in the constitution? was thewell, john locke political philosopher at the time. thatlocke held the notion all men are created in the image of god. concepts into the electoral college. locke is a very important person in creating our nation. the founding fathers use john locke in reference to jeremy benham, in contrast to jeremy benham. host: patrick, we will let you go, but we appreciate your points. -- hill, about tulsa gabbard tulsi gabbard. saying, "that's why i'm asking you join me in demanding tom perez accept responsibility for this gross failure in leadership and resign now or can -- resign now." tom perez was on the state of the union over the weekend on cnn and responded to some of those calls. >> absolutely not. jake, look at the last few years. my job when i came in was to rebuild the infrastructure, to win elections, and when you do that, sometimes you have to make tough decisions. i have a respect for the congre

worked out with the electoral college.that is your problem now, i can well imagine how you feel if, as i expect, donald trump is reelected in 2020 this year. maybe gets a few more seats on the supreme court. i think at that point, maybe people will say i want to respect democracy, and that means secession. host: connecticut, this is gary. good morning. caller: i wanted to speak to the notion of secession as a sleeper issue. ofulting from the failure reconstruction and the failure to properly punish the traitors who raised their hand against the constitution of the united states and the government of the united states. during reconstruction, slowly but surely, blacks were suppressed. jim crow laws came into being. southerners still refer to the war as the war of northern aggression. the lost cause. these people have been waiting to have a voice, and state -- and they now have one in the president. if you look to the issue of monuments, i do not know if you are aware of the colfax massacre in louisiana. there is a monument t

liz: it's kinda concerning they have a democrat nominee saying get rid of the electoral college, pack the supreme court, they keep talking about the roles being raked against them but they're raking the world. [laughter] liz: how can they say get rid of the electoral college in campaign and the smaller state where protects the smaller states. i'm telling you the electoral college is a vivifying genius behind civil rights in this country, it is behind minority rights, final word to you. >> the electoral college is the reason why we don't have new york city in california dominating the country. it gives voice to middle americans in super important that everyone has a voice. liz: that the majority reenrolled. good to see you. next up stick around for this conversation. we have a guy coming on, he is heavily followed inside the white house, inside d.c., inside china, world renowned china expert michael pillsbury, he will talk to us about what is right and what is wrong about the various countries response to the coronavirus outbreak. more on the pushback against the media for ignoring the

pete buttigieg won the electoral college and sanders won the popular vote. the question is when voters, we talked last night about how some of these districts, biden was not viable and some of these areas so where did that vote go? it appears that went to pete buttigieg. >> bret: 20,730. 20,730. elizabeth warren, 20,254. these are popular votes. that is first alignment stuff. just wanted to put that in there as we wait for more numbers. speak to them what matters in the end? >> bret: the numbers you see on the screen because that leads to the delegates that iowa is going to dole out. >> martha: but once again, you will have a situation like last time where bernie sanders is claiming he won because he has the popular vote and also that he is the person who forced this issue so we have this new system in the first place and then he ended up in the same boat. >> dana: some frustration there amongst democrats? >> juan: delegates count, that . it's the delegate count but i just want to point out that when you have the party handling this, it gets wild. i go back,

whether you like the electoral college are not, there is a rural skew to the electoral college.he founders set it up that way. big state, small state compromise. until you change the electoral college, that will continue to be the way we elect presidents. rural areas have a disproportional influence in the electoral college and hillary clinton lost in 2016 because democrats did not perform well in states like wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, even florida has a significant rural component to its electorate. so this is not a bad place for democrats the cycle to come and test their message and learn about how to address problems and concerns rural americans have. host: would you tell our viewers a little bit about your history covering caucuses? mr. yepsen: i am born and raised in jefferson, iowa and had no great aspirations as a young reporter about covering politics for the largest newspaper in the state. i was really excited to get a job at the des moines register in 1974 as a young reporter covering local government. i was given pieces of the 1976 campaign and more senior rep

in response to losing several elections for the electoral college. and then to threaten that cannot be to threaten the senate. we cannot let this break our institutions. it must work the other way just as hamilton attended the institutions and then to keep the temporary rage to do permanent damage to the republic. and then to keep that temporary rage to do permanent damage to our republic. that, mr. president is what we were doing when we and his record-breaking impeachment. they would look back to say that this is the day the fever began to break. we will not say this is just the beginning. . . . .

they would be wiped out in the electoral college.the same strategic as republicans because republicans due to their over representation. it is a bad thing for our political system. it is good for parties for them to be disciplined by democracy themselves. the republican party is not being disciplined by it. >> fascinating stuff for all of us. erza klein, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> we'll be right back. at fidelity, we'll help you build a clear plan for retirement. one that covers health care costs, taxes, and any other uncertainties while still giving you the flexibility to make changes to your plan as often as you need. because when you're with fidelity, a partner who makes sure every step is clear, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. ♪ here's wishing you the bluest sky ♪ introducing ore-ida potato pay. where ore-ida golden crinkles are your crispy currency to pay for bites of this... ...with this. when kids won't eat dinner, potato pay them to. ore-ida. win at mealtime. it's either the assucertification process

how the electoral college, it means some votes are worth a lot more than others. it means politicians at the local level are picking their constituents rather than their constituents picking them. so i have a plan, you're not surprised. i have a plan to outlaw all political gerrymandering nationwide. that is what we have got to do. so that is it. let's do it. think about that. pass a federal law, no more political gerrymandering and we are done. all votes are going to count. that should be the heart of our democracy. that we should have it. we are talking in some places we should be lining up where we want to make constitutional changes and i know those are hard but we need to have them and have them laid out and for me, one of the important elements is guarantee the right of every american citizen to vote and to get that vote counted. gerrymandering is going to be part of that. thank you. thank you. great question. high. >> my big concern is electing someone who can beat donald trump. >> me too. >> we get stats from the white house that unemployment is down, jobs

the electoral college is a threat to democracy. so, we've got to get the engines of democracy moving again to bring and everybody that is left out. the senate is a flawed institution where the vast majority of the people are represented by senators that voted to convict the minority of the people represented by the other senators, but they voted to acquit. at the least let's get everybody in the senate including people in washington, d.c. and porter rico. let's pass statehood, that is the true state solution dc and puerto rico with steel with a electoral college and create a constitutional amendment on the right to vote so we don't continue the remind us we are driven off of google creating an unfair election in that state. >> if i could pick up on where he left off and saved it is nothing worse than these expectations and reality of what you just described, i can call you with a significant portion of the population in this country hurt when he said it was like that's the problem. so that's what we've got to get. how people here a

we will end up with a good disparity between the electoral college, nobody has a strategy to beat trump and russia and saudi arabia and they don't have a plan to build the election but nobody has a strategy. >> the last opening statement on the candidate forum comes from this nosy boyd. >> i'm running for president to rebuild patriotism by uniting americans around shared values. i want to take a moment, donald trump, vice president hence, senators, u.s. congress members, american service members at the national, state and local level. thank you all. it will be my honor to serve as your commander-in-chief. i'm ready for this job. i'm the right woman at the right time. i run true grit law firm in arkansas. irony, development council and i lead the political action committee dedicated to electing women to the white house. for 20 years i have supported women to serve as president of the united states. women have been running for president for 150 years. in the 1870s victoria wouldhole and announced herself candidate in the 1872 election and i think that is a long time to wave concerns. i ha

i know in addition to spending a lot of money on tv ads, you've made electoral college projections.alk to you about that if you wouldn't mind sticking with us. >> sounds great. >> we'll be right back with guy cecil right after this. stay with us. (announcer) winning awards is great. but doing all the work that takes you there? that's the hard part. at verizon, being reliable means working to always be reliable. it's why we earned more awards again this year. just like last year, and the year before, and years before that. all these awards are real proof that we built a network that really works for you. the network more people rely on. now experience america's most-awarded network on the phone you love, the amazing iphone. plus, up to $650 off the latest iphone when you switch. with apple music included. try to win by attacking, now, we know the trump strategy- distorting, dividing. mr. president: it. won't. work. newspapers report bloomberg is the democrat trump fears most. as president, universal healthcare that lets people keep their coverage if they like it. a record on job crea

abrams: eliminate the electoral college. [applause] ms. abrams: and establish a federal right to vote without interference that says if you are a citizen of the united states, you are automatically registered, and you have the right to vote in every election. [applause] so, with that, i will do a little housekeeping in bringing this to close. i have a few folks i want to make sure we think. we want to thank you all for being here. .e want to thank the scholars we want to make sure we think the andrew young center for global leadership. i want to say a few closing words to miss abrams. usuallyl happen next is the society will come and close us out with song. but we will be given words of by our 10thpiration president of morehouse college. i'm going to take a personal point of privilege, we graduated the same year in 1995. i want to say that we love you so much, thank you for your example, and thank you for being a hero. a round of applause for miss abrams. ms. abrams: thank you, david. [applause] ms. abrams: that was amazing. dr. wright: th

we're also going to say, look, getting rid of the electoral college is a nice idea but it's not whatbout on new ideas. they care about health care and the economy because they're not sitting around the kitchen table in non-election years thinking about the electoral college that much. >> am i the only person who does that? >> anyway, so it's going to be interesting to see what this interplay is with buttigieg, because now everybody has to take him seriously. they can't just brush him off as the kid at the table because he did have such a strong showing in iowa. but it's going to be much more of a mud fight now about do the things that you say to back up your fresh face actually count as fresh ideas in this party? >> one of the things you hear on the campaign trail which is probably why he's talking about keeping his promises. you heard from biden and buttigieg about sanders, that he's promising things that cannot be delivered based on his medicare for all, things that can't functionally happen because of the makeup of the congress. because who would have to approve it? i think that's

just like with the electoral college in the general election.will be about, you know, when it comes to the national party convention, it will be about delegates. let's talk about what buttigieg is selling as why this success in iowa matters. from the very beginning, buttigieg staked everything on iowa. it was all about proving that he had viability going well past iowa. so one of the things they talked about wanting to do was showing that he could really win all across that state. now, it's a given. iowa is a predominantly white state. it is a particularly rural state. even within iowa, there are suburban counties, rural counties, the 31 pivot counties that went from obama to trump. that's where you see buttigieg focused his time. did he 50 town halls in the last several weeks of this campaign. so much of that time was focused on those pivot counties. and i'll tell you, in a lot of these town halls that he did, there were a lot of republicans in the room. he had several people getting up at the town halls and saying, i'm a republican and i'm int

the response of losing several elections cannot be to threaten the electoral college, the response to losing a court case cannot be to threaten the judiciary. the response to losing a vote cannot be to threaten the senate. we simply cannot let factional fever break our institutions. it must work the other way as madison and hamilton intended. the institutions must break the fever rather than the other way around. the framers built the senate to keep temporary rage from doing permanent damage to our republic. the framers built the senate to keep temporary rage from doing permanent damage to our republic. that, mister president is what we will do when we end this precedent breaking impeachment. i hope we will look back on this vote and say this was the day the fever began to break. i hope we will not say this was just the beginning. >> let me just begin with a note of optimism. you are going to pick the next president, not a bunch of politicians driven by sour grapes. i didn't vote for donald trump. i voted for somebody i wouldn't know if they walked in the door but i accepted the fact

it's an electoral college type system where each person an average of a state delegate equivalent. how this impacts the overall account. they were almost finished, 97% of precincts were counted. i'm told that more numbers are expected to be coming soon, but unclear if they will have to recanvass from the very beginning. brooke, one thing this is showing, it is highlighting the tensions between the iowa democratic party and the democratic national committee as well as the individual campaigns. the buttigieg campaign narrowly holding on to a delegate edge, the sanders' campaign is touting the popular vote. we have to think of it as a general election, electoral college versus popular vote, and that's how you get delegates. senator sanders is right that they basically will have a draw here in terms of the number of delegates. the candidates obviously have moved on to new hampshire, but this certainly is putting a shadow over the process here. so we'll see if that recanvas starts or not. brooke. >> and we'll see that to your point, if that affects those final totals. jeff zeleny, thank

this party is complaining about the electoral college.hole thing is crazy. >> for a party like you said that complains about the electoral college this is very much a electoral college type system in the iowa caucuses where the popular vote does not necessarily determine the winner. so how this works is that in the individual precincts the voters there divide themselves up into which candidates they would like to support. then they award the delegates proportionately. so pete buttigieg has been doing really well in the rural counties in iowa which have higher ratio of delegates to population whereas sanders has of course been doing much better in urban areas which has a lower ratio of delegates to population. so what you see there is a split between who has won the popular vote and who has been awarded the most delegates. charles: in the meantime those big urban centers have young millenials, college students. when this whole thing began, it would be a woke year for the democrats. it would be blacks, hispanics, lienales. votes don't count

>> the electoral college. [applause] establish a federal right to vote without interfering that says if you are citizen of the united states that you are automatically registered and you have the right to vote in every election. [applause] >> so with that, i'm going to do a little housekeeping and bring close. i have a few folks i want to make sure that we think, we want to thank you all for being here tonight with us, we want to make sure that we say thank you to adam scholars involve scholars, we want to make sure we say thank you to global leadership, what will happen next, a few words, closing words, what will happen next, the brown society will come and close us out but we are going to give words of hope and inspiration of the ten president of morehouse college. one thing i will say, a personal point of privilege, we graduated the same year in 1995 and i just want to say that we love you so much, thank you for your example and thank you for being a hero round of applause. [applause] >> thank you. >> thank

let's deal with the electoral college. let's create a constitutional amendment on the right to vote so we don't continue voter purges like we saw in georgia where six or thousand people, stacey abrams reminds us they were driven off the rolls, creating an unfair election in that state. >> if i could pick up on where he left off and say there is also nothing worse than unmet expectations. the reality of what you have just described, i can tell you what a significant portion of the population of this country heard when you said -- when the commerce and said what he said was like, that's the problem burden that is what we have got to get at. we have got to get at how people hear and perceive and read the narratives that are out there. because right now, we are all creating our own. my tribe is better than your tribe. what you just said is an offense to my tribe. instead of saying, where is their linkage where we can begin to move to some level of common ground to address some of these issues. it's not like we done this before

winning the electoral college when he was a son of a popular race he would have run a different campaign that's why when the i'll be there and i can he can make anybody want him but let's say let's talk about hillary it's a yes he said he was and this came out recently he was afraid hillary was going to pick bernie as the v.p. candidate because he felt that would have been trouble right he was happy that she accepted senator kaine from virginia right now and that's again another mistake i think ari is a potent opponent in all of this and they all say this is main backer she's got huge appeal i just want to say bernie campaigned very hard for hillary clinton and she did not for obama so i think they just stop with those attacks numbering all right randi thanks mankinds report and that's going to do for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacy herbert like to thank our guest randy boehlert a former democratic aide here in north carolina if you don't reach us on twitter it's kaiser report to next time. thank you no because you knew from the ones we got in here shows no

abrams: eliminate the electoral college. and establish a federal right to vote without interference that says if you are a citizen of the united states that you are automatically registered and that you have the right to vote in every election. [applause] >> so with that, i'm going to do a little house keeping in bringing this to close. i have a few folks i want to make sure we thank. we want to thank you all for being here tonight with us. we want to make sure that we thank the bonner scholars, the adams scholars, we want to make sure we thank the andrea young center for tpwhrobal leadership. what will happen next, i want to say a few words, closing words to ms. abrams but what will happen next is the brown society are going to close us out with song but we're going to be given words of hope and inspiration by president emeritus franklin who sour 10th president of morehouse college, of course. one of the things i did want to say. i'm going to take a personal point of privilege. we graduated the same year, 1995, and i just w

winning the electoral college. racey would have run a different campaign when the lobbies are alike he could make any point he won but let's say let's talk about hillary you'd say yes he said he was and this came out recently he was afraid hillary was going to pick bernie as the v.p. candidate because he felt that would have been trouble right he was happy that she accepted senator kaine from virginia right now and that's again another mistake i think mary is a potent opponent in all of this n.a.s.a.'s his main backer she's got her pillow i just want to say bernie campaign very hard for hillary clinton and she did not for obama so i think there's a stop with those attacks number all right randi thanks mankinds report and that's going to do for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacy herbert like to thank our guest randy boehlert a former democratic aide here in north carolina if you don't reach us on twitter it's kaiser report tonight stand by. donald trump might it be a showy and shallow but

the vote she lost the electoral college and that's a vestige of a past era where the founding fathers didn't trust the masses to actually elect the leader so you know it was a way to protect against you know the intemperate masses rising up in electing a moron tom said he ran the election the race based on winning the electoral college when he was a son of a popular race he would have run a different campaign that's why when the i'll be there and i can he can make any claim he won but let's say let's talk about hillary did say yes he said he was and this came out recently he was afraid hillary was going to pick burning as the v.p. candidate because he felt that would have been trouble right he was happy that she accepted senator kaine from virginia right now and that's again another mistake i think ari is a potent opponent in all of this n.a.s.a.'s his main backer she's got huge appeal i just want to say bernie campaign very hard for hillary clinton and she did not for obama so i think they just stop with those attacks numbering all right randi thanks mankinds report and that's going

i mentioned the electoral college.the electoral college is a barb on the whole face of democracy in the united states. what it says is that people's real estate is more important than their lives. >> that's right. >> and it's to balance the -- imbalance the whole system so that people who come from states with a handful of population have the same votes as people who come from states with millions of people. that is a perversion of democracy and i noted that after remarks that were made about the electoral college, not one question was raised about the electoral college of defense or criticism of it but that's fundamental and we get to be able to deal with basic issues, not superficial issues. chasing rabbit is is not what the congress should be doing. >> thank you. i wanted -- what are they afraid of? they don't want us to dismantle the electoral college, which basically protected land owners, protected that kind of classism that was going on in that form of oppression. in your opinion from that work you have been doi

heard your guest talk about anything about doing away with this electoral college, because of the electoral million votes that voted for clinton went out the window. sir, i hope you are putting in that book, getting rid of this electoral college. the madison constitutional convention. --one place he talks about [indiscernible] fourroblem is that the southern states are not be able to elect anybody because of the negro. at the constitutional convention because we needed states to ratify -- nine states to ratify, we could not have a proper vote because the four southern states would never vote for it. your comments, please? sure. -- guest: sure. college, when you talk to people democrats approve of some change to that system and republicans overwhelmingly do not. the reasons for that are obvious. it is the result for the last few elections. including a couple where democrat boston election despite having won the popular vote. there are two issues with the electoral college. small states end up being overrepresented a little bit. the other is the all or nothing nature of the way that the elect