we can talk about electoral college reform and i would like to see reform. if you can't abolish the electoral college there are ways to reform it to ma it more representative and prevent thankless electors because they can make a difference. it is so arrogant from an ector to put his or her view ahead of millions of people in their state. that have taken the time to vote an express themselves and arbitrarily they will vote for anything that comes into their head for a ratnale that doesn't have any power to it. 2000 was important because bush had 271 and you need to 70. he did not have any faithless, is easy to imagine a circumstance where even one a lot better and very close race could determine the presidency based on their win. that is insane. but that is the system we've got. let me comment briefly on 269, 260 nine. this is a ticking time bomb in the constitution and most people in the united states have no idea that if we have a tie in the electoral college. there are lots of reasonable ways to happen, it is going to happen in some future year. then it g

college, yes , the electoral college, someone calls it the electoral college, it ’s all the same, it, and accordingly, to become president, you need to get half of it, but it’s 270, well, the half isn’t very good there, actually it’s not very equal, let’s say, and actually, it’s necessary score a minimum of 270 to become a candidate to become... president, and actually, what is special about the state voting itself is that just, if conditionally, the voters of the state of idaho vote for, let's say, trump and biden, and accordingly, even if one of the candidates wins by one vote, then regardless of the result of the other candidate, all the votes are from the state of idaho, and this is a certain number of votes, because ... every time it changes, that is, for example, there are 14 electoral college votes gives the state of idaho, that's all these 14 votes go to one candidate, and the second one gets nothing, and this is actually called taking the votes of the entire state for yourself, actually, so usually, usually, the fight goes precisely for independent states, that is , those th

, new york and that further the electoral college. so am i a fan of the electoral college? absolutely. it's a huge problem that being said. i think politically it would be very hard to change it now, but i do think we could make a case says, okay, we're not going to get rid of it, but we could go back to the way it was intended to be. and if we actually it proportional again, it would force politicians, president, presidential candidates compete in every state and would certainly change the way that campaign and probably change our political system. thank you. thank you. oh i wrote about that in the book. hello. my name is roberta velez. thank you very much for coming my question has to be with the recurring theme that i'm noticing about, the romanticization of american as a concept and looking towards the past, our founders, the constitution, declaration, independence. but when you look younger people, specifically young progressives, they have very negative views about the constitution, very literal them viewed themselves patriotic.

so right now, the electoral college, i believe, is 538. there's nothing in the constitution that says it has to be 538. there's nothing in the constitution that says the house of representative has to be the number that it is. and in fact, over history that has changed fairly regularly until recently to acknowledge the shift in flux and population in new states and trying to make the house of representatives a more responsive body to the american people so one good step that would actually not require a constitutional amendment, so therefore is at least sort of feasible right now, is to increase the size of the house. i don't think it's great that we have the discrepancies that we do in in california and wyoming. there are, of course, more in the senate, but they do exist the house. so that might be one way to do it. another way might be to have statehood for places like washington, d.c. how is it possible that we have all of these citizens and they are not actually part of a state? it seems a little while to me so those are a couple of th

>> not the electoral college. >> i don't get the electoral college, i don't get -- okay. >> are you allowed to say that? >> no, it's unconstitutional for me to erase anything. but long ago, when i was a law teacher, the provision that gave states control was a bad idea and led to all the gerrymandering and the political aspects that should be in the hands of congress. >> originally, madison wanted the changes to the constitution to be integrated into the constitution. this is how many state constitutions are, and it was actually a pretty tight fight. amendments are tacked on, and that has always produced this sort of -- since then, this notion of the original constitution as sacred and represents a moment that cannot be changed unless we read it with these amendments, and it's a debate. roger sherman said, how confusing could it be? all of it is based on the confusion. but i would like -- i wish we integrated the way that the state constitutions did. i think it would make the entire text remind us that we the people are supposed to work for the current moments. and i think if madison had wo

i agree. >> not the electoral college. we heard that yesterday and today. >> i don't get the electoral college. what just go. >> are you allowed to say that? >> is unconstitutional for me to arrange. i'm not allowed to favor went on the other. want to go as a law teacher, said that the provision that gave the state control over drawing alleging districts is a bad idea and led to the political problems and that should be in the hands of congress. >> i know what i would like. originally madison wanted the changes to the constitution to be integrated into the constitution. this is many state constitutions are and roger sherman wins that fight and it's a pretty tight fight and amendments are tacked on and that is always produced this, sort of, since then, this notion of the original constitution is sacred and represents the moment they cannot be changed unless we read it with these amendments and there is a debate and roger sherman act, they asked, how confusing can it be and i said, all of the common law is based on the confu

it is based on the number of electoral college votes they get., those no labels and the third-party effort, when? what state? maryland? you get our ten electoral votes for larry hogan? [laughter] let me know. >> you are mean mugging. of backing your head right now. can we get a shot of michael's face, so they know? >> i believed that -- [laughter] yes, okay? where are they going to win in the poll, but the effort is going to siphon off votes from various places. and what if they are denying, they could deny the electoral college vote. there's places that could split electoral college votes, elect arizona district on, or tropical storm, where i'm from. that one electoral college vote out of nebraska has the last three presidential elections gone to the democratic contender. what if joe biden or donald trump does not reach 270, then, if the house to pick the president, and the senate picks the vice president. >> one of the things that's really interesting that no labels has started to say right behind closed doors is that they are interested in tha

50 state elections for electors to write those electors then go and vote on in the electoral college for the president. arizona's passed them laws not trying to expedite the counting, actually to slow down, recounting in the case of a very close. and what we know is that arizona a history of being very close these days. and there some state laws that suggest that the the slow down for the recounts in arizona could force arizona to the deadlines for the counting the electoral ballots. so there's there's a scenario where arizona may not have electors to send in to the electoral college in a tight election. this could make the difference between. one candidate getting 2 to 70. and then you have a constitutional crisis. what are what are look, this is not fear mongering. what are actually the concerns we should be thinking about as we approach 2024 in the states that where there really could be things done to improve the efficiency and the confidence in the integrity of those elections. yeah. and we have here is some tension between the idea that we want to include increased public confi

but the electoral colleges decide to be someone else, it is not like this and they decide, but hazrat agha says that the people's vote is right and you saw how much they tried to make someone else, and hazrat agha stood by the people's vote , so this is a very important issue. . as for the jihad of explanation that hazrat agha teh has been speaking about in his recent speeches and raising the issue of elections , we each have a duty to participate in this jihad of explanation based on the new law. the islamic council has found a task in the field of elections, which is the ground for a competition. student of martyr zeinab yaqoubi present, these 23 people had dreams like all other children. student of martyr mohammad soltaninejad present, student of martyr narges kargerd hatami. there were four martyred students, all of them were martyred unjustly. mohammad was a friend of samini 's. i always helped the children. now, every student who was martyred, we always remember them from before. maybe they wanted to be doctors, engineers, maybe they wanted to be pilots or teachers students shou

whether it was our testimony for the electoral college case, whether it was what the january 6th committee put forth, and what you are hearing today overwhelmingly coming from the republicans. >> george: you've pointed that out, yet with the passage of times, more republican voters have accepted president trump's lies about that day. they're less likely to accept his responsibility. they're less likely to say the rioters were violent. how do you explain that, and what can be done about it? >> well, the 28% is the 30% that believe trump no matter what, but again, the fact is the narrative on this is becoming clearer and clearer, and whatever those people for whatever their attitudes are to other people, whatever -- whoever they are, god bless them. i wish them well. i wish they would accept the facts and the truth, but trump was a president. people believe a president when he speaks. that's why i was so glad that joe biden yesterday at valley forge, a bull work of our strength where president washington consolidated the strength of the troops, of our troops to go forward and win a revolutio

and we talk about, do republicans have a bit of an advantage in the electoral college, where if they'recompetitive for the popular vote, that's going to translate into a big boost in the electoral college. and we've seen statewide polls, some of these swing state polls, some of these states that biden won in 20 that trump had won in 2016 that they were critical to his election as present in the first place. we see trump racking up some very big numbers, some very impressive numbers. they're, again, relative to how he has pulled before. so to me, it raises the question -- we're looking at a different atmosphere, i think, then we saw in 2020, then we saw in 2016. anything we've ever seen in a modern presidential race before. and it's one that i think is sort of dominated by questions. when you see a pull right now that has donald trump ahead of joe biden or competed with joe nationally, the questions that are raised are where is the new strength coming from? one of the places that is picking up on it in the polls is younger voters. is that real? our younger voters actually backing away a

i yeah, i with i agree not the electoral college we've heard that yesterday too they don't get electoral college you don't get. yeah. what let jeff go. well i think of that. yeah well if allowed to know the unconsummated for me arrangement and i'm not allowed to favor over the other but long ago when was a law teacher i said that the provision that gave the states control over drawing elections was a really bad idea. a lot of the gerrymandering and political problems and that should be in the hands of congress. and i know what i'd like. originally, madison, the changes the constitution to be integral added into the constitution. this is how many state constitutions are and roger sherman wins fight. it's actually a pretty tight fight and so amendments are tacked on and that has always produced this sort of since then, this notion like the original constitution somehow is sacred and represents a moment that cannot be changed unless we read it with these amendments. and there's the debate and roger sherman basically said, like how confusing, can it be? and i was like, all of come was based

she said the electoral college was a product of white supremacy. civil war was about slavery.he electoral college was about negotiation between small and large states. >> all this will go to the courts as you're laying out there. >> right. it will. >> ahead with david becker our election law expert. senator graham, good to have you with us. "face the nation" will be back in a moment. stay with us. >>> for more on immigration, we turn to chicago's brandon johnson and denver's mike johnston. welcome to "face the nation." >> good morning. >> thank you for having us. >> thanks for joining us. and mr. mayor of chicago, i want to put to you a question about what seems to have developed overnight. there are reports of a plane from texas landing in chicago carrying more migrants that arrived around 1:00 a.m. i'm wondering if texas officials gave you any head's up, who is on the plane, what happens next? >> well, what we have is clearly an international and federal crisis that local governments are being asked to subsidize, and this is unsustainable. none of our local economies are pos

this summer. >> the final decision as to who the state legislatures authorize be sent to the electoral collegeon made solely by the legislature. we must be prepared to lobby our republican legislatures. >> and stone discussed this idea about trump trying to just push forward through the electors, the type of government fraud that could sow chaos that could help steal the race on the 6th. some of this has been further documented that some of it happened. here's what we have on tape. >> any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the electoral college who accurately reflect the president's legitimate victory in their state which was illegally denied him throughfraud. >> now, that what he was sang. separately, and over time, we owhat electors who pushed actual fraud have now been indicted or civilly sued in several states. stone denies wrongdoing. he said that states could legally xor the kind of authority he discussed amidst these reports. we want to make sure you know that he posted online that he never plotted the seating of fake electors.

and that may help contribute to an electoral college victory for donald trump.escribing here, absolutely don't want donald trump to be president. and it's kind of the simplest example you can give. your book is filled with white butter examples. we are someone not taking pan action ends up with a result that they don't think is their fault, don't think it has any relationship to their decision. >> this is the nature of consolidate. you have a ripple effect for what you do and what you don't. and i think, when we think about, for example, 2016 the election is a good example of. this you have something like sympathizing vote across three sites. if that got sloppy differently, the election will change. you can imagine, what would the world like of hillary clinton had one. we were very close to that world and will never know. i think that's the kind of thing people have to think about, as they make decisions in this election year. what are the ripple effects of my actions? what are the things i'm doing hidden towards the election that can empower people to take acti

the president is chosen by the people through the electoral college. the presidents' duties are set by the constitution others are established by laws treaties president and public opinion. the president's main job is to take care of the law should be faithfully executed. he must decide whether to sign or to veto every congressional bill and when a bill becomes law he is responsible for putting that law into effect. to help him. the president has 10 permanent executive departments. state treasury war justice post office navy interior agriculture commerce and labor the secretary of each department is a member of the president's cabinet, which is his chief advisory body. from time to time as emergencies arise special independent agencies are created to assist the president to examples are the veterans administration and the federal security agency. i probably don't need to tell you that the president is also commander in chief of the armed forces. this is a heavy responsibility for congress gives him the power of making many military decisions in conduct

back and forth and they finally came with this notion, let's have an alternative and what the electoral college is or used to be. we added three electors to the for the house for the district of columbia. which do you think about those skip those forms of of democracy as elite phenomenon in the early republic or or was the public aware that democracy was getting out of control? was that. well, by the broader or what is this story that, you know, it's not shared by the i mean, the the the middle class people who were creating the successes of democracy were certainly not happy with the new federal government was curtailing their power. that's why rhode island, my own state, refused to even meet to ratify the constitution. they just ignored altogether because they were the most notorious. issuers of paper money and the most capitalistic, if you want it. they took it as aimed at them. yeah, right. that's exactly. and they were the most capitalistic you'd say of the commercially minded of all the 13 states. it's not surprising that that's where the industrial, so to speak, of america began. and rho

if we believe the luxury good of imagining that a third party could win 270 electoral college votes,which has never happened, and will not happen in our lifetime, given the two party system, we are not going to be in a state where we have a lovely third-party imaginary candidates, we're going to be in this position where steve bannon, stephen miller, and donald trump, are running an authoritarian government of washington d.c., and america will not look like anything we recognize. >> guys, i love the disagreements. i respect you both about, it i can see frank still nodding. but you know what? you both are friends of the show, so you're welcome here all the time. and i have to give it to rick on one thing, a good st. augustine reference on sunday morning. so i appreciate that. frank, stay warm. i think i'm gonna see one person in fe weeks right here in new york. so i appreciate you both. thank you. franklin's is a republican pollster and strategist and he's the author of words that work. rick wilson is a former gop strategist, cofounder of the lincoln project and author of running agai

if you have an electoral college? well, sort of no. but that's what we got. and we're probably stuck with it. so let's make the best of it. so the question is, does our government work? does work for everybody as much as it can? and whether you know, whether it measures up to somebody's standard of democracy, i think is sort of beside the point. and so you ask the question how does money play into this and how can it be a democracy or how can it work for everyone all every reframed? how can it work for the americans generally if there's so much money flowing into politics? well, i, i will say this, that the people with the most money don't always win the elections. i will say that is important to me than where the is spent. is do people have access to the polls? do people? education is an important part of this. do we educate our children, our students to what? the responsibility of citizens are? i haven't seen the people with the money always win. i think that's not always the case. and when they i think it's it gets a little bit more problematic. you talk a

that called on the vice president to refuse the electoral college votes from certain states that had certified joe biden as the winner. evan perez: he had been pressuring him behind the scenes. so now he's going public. he's trying to get public pressure on mike pence. jake tapper: the january 6 committee's interviews with white house attorneys made it clear that pat cipollone, eric herschmann and many others were appalled. jason miller: the way it was communicated to me was that pat cipollone thought the idea was nutty and had, at one point, confronted eastman, basically, with the same sentiment. speaker: what were your prior interactions with eastman? eric herschmann: he described for me what he thought the ambiguity was in the statute and he was walking through it at that time. and i said to hold on a second. i want to understand what you're saying. you're saying that you believe the vice president acting as president of the senate can be the sole decision maker as to, under your theory, who becomes the next president of united states? and he said, yes. and i said, are you out of

we can talk about electoral college reform and i would like to see reform.u can't abolish the electoral college there are ways to reform it to make it more representative and prevent thankless electors because they can make a difference. it is so arrogant from an elector to put his or her view ahead of millions of people in their state. that have taken the time to vote and express themselves and arbitrarily they will vote for anything that comes into their head for a rationale that doesn't have any power to it. 2000 was important because bush had 271 and you need to 70. he did not have any faithless, is easy to imagine a circumstance where even one a lot better and very closrace could determine the presidency based on their win. that is insane. t that is the system we've got. let me comment briefly on 269, 260 nine. this is a ticking time bomb in the constitution and most people in the united states have no idea that if we have a tie in the electoral college. there are lots of reasonable ways to happen, its going to happen in some future year. then it es to

i'm buckling under and i'm going to simply declare donald trump has won, i'm going to reject electoral college votes from arizona, pennsylvania, from georgia. does anybody in his or her right mind think donald trump would have said, no, no, yo, i was just kidding. the way you really do this under the 12th amendment, under the constitution is you count all the electoral college votes, and i was just kidding about all that stuff. of course not. he would have taken the office. he would have proceeded to impose martial law as michael flynn had been urging him to do and we'd be living under a completely different government right now. so if we listen today the wisdom of the founders, if we follow the literal text of the kaunlsitution, donald trump simply can't be president again. there are tens of millions of other people in the country who can be, but he has disqualified himself under section 3 of the 14th amendment by throwing to overthrow the constitutional order. >> what do you make of the discussions getting a lot of ink these days about whether it would be more satisfying or less satisfying t

it is a battleground state, meaning it is a hotly contested electoral college when the for either presidentrump, added that former president trump, added that former president trump, added that former president trump took the estate by less than 1.5 percentage point in 2020. to win over voters, president biden will have to look further than north carolina and win voters across the country. north carolina and win voters across the country-— the country. thank you. before we end, “ust the country. thank you. before we end, just imagine _ the country. thank you. before we end, just imagine that _ the country. thank you. before we end, just imagine that breaking i the country. thank you. before we i end, just imagine that breaking news coming from tata steel, the indian company is planning to push ahead with plans to close both its blast furnaces at the steelworks in port talbot in wales. that is according to bbc sources. the move is expected to bbc sources. the move is expected to lead to the loss of up to 3000 jobs. the decision coming after a meeting between tata steel executives and members

despite bad polling and clearer weaknesses from president biden, we, they say are sticking with electoral collegem the summer, which show him doing better than the polls would indicate." even as they are toss-up electoral votes to make the election anyone's game, we still anticipate a close competitive election between biden and the former president trump here let's bring in the panel marc thiessen former speechwriter, former george w. bush american enterprise institute senior fellow and fox news contributor and former d.c. democratic party chair and white criminal defense attorney, great to have both of you with the spirit so, let me start with you. as we look at his prediction here, he's had mixed bag results over the past couple of elections. and thought hillary clinton would be a shoe in 2016 but he was wrong about that and write that biden would win in 2020 but far off on the numbers. do you give him credence and what he is saying here now? >> he is batting 50/50. hillary clinton blew us all away. >> martha: that is true. >> with that being said, i like larry's organization for the universit

and that's certainly a possibility with our electoral college. but biden is going to have to win this thing by about four points in the popular vote to win the electoral college. so i never was involved in a campaign where i sat around on election night waiting for the results and thought we started too soon. so i'm glad they're getting about the business of drawing this contrast. >> you know, and the thing is, molly, the problem that joe biden has is that donald trump's 37% to 40% are solid. it's a cult. like there's nothing he could do. he could literally kill someone on fifth avenue. biden's coalition, not so much. inflation is down, economy is good, but a lot of his voters are very enraged over gaza. a lot of young and progressive voters are saying they're not going to support him. there a lot of voters who are disappointed because he couldn't do anything on student loans. he has fractious issues, and other remembering roe v. wade was overturned and still being angry enough to vote for him, and thinking democracy really is on the line. it's n

if we throw away the electoral college because of a barbie remake.t hilary clinton grasping at straws because she wants to fill relevant but yet again she's an election cycle and she's not she's not in it. >> yourself in the new cycle, come on you ride the wave. jackie: she wrote a book about it. >> she's obsessed with it, she cannot get over unfortunately for her she's good have to learn to get over it she's probably sitting there thinking i cannot believe i lost to trump and biden beat him. that is the biggest insult in the world so she's understandably upset. >> it is a bit of a slap in the face. >> i'm sure that they would tell her she can. if she had the red carpet to run again or take the reins from biden i think she would give it one last try. >> i think she would and i think she might've learned from her mistakes last time but she did not so here she is tweeting about barbie. jackie: barbie would actually go to wisconsin unlike hilary clinton failing to go to wisconsin. >> maybe barbie when it call half of the country deplorable. >> perhaps,

you can watch this show for a year, you'll never see a national poll about the electoral college. we might have the national poll on biden approval. the electoral college, not national polls, are the way we do it. >> to that point, in the swing states nikki haley is far more stronger against joe biden than in the national poll. that reinforces my point. nikki haley is a strong candidate. she brings a strong world view. anything's better than bidenomics. even if you despise donald trump, a lot of people are in real economic pain. that's undeniable. even if you don't like the way he speaks, if you don't like his personal legal challenges, there are far greater issues at play that will drive tens of millions of voters for a republican candidate. >> you get the last words. we have to fit a break in. i'll have both of you back together during the campaign cycle. >>> jack smith has another win and we are keeping our eye on the first votes of the 2024 with a special look at what else we can learn about the stakes for democracy and stopping coups in our midst. midst. (dad) it's our phone

i will reject electoral college votes from arizona, pennsylvania and georgia. did anybody in his or her right mind think that donald trump would say, no, no, i was kidding. the way you do this under the taught them, and under the constitution is that you count all the electoral college votes. yeah, i was kidding about all that stuff. of course, not. he would have taken the office, he would have proceeded to impose martial law, as michael flynn had been urging him to do. and we would be living under a completely different form of government right now. so, if we listen to the wisdom of the founders, if we follow the literal text of the constitution, donald trump simply cannot be president again. there are tens of millions of other people in the country, who can be, but he is qualified and self under section three of the 14th amendment by trying to overthrow the constitutional order. >> what do you make of the discussions by people who are not constitutional experts about whether it would be more satisfying or less satisfying to have donald trump disqualified vers

the electoral college had cast its vote.as reached the end of the road. the electoral college certified the election. his legal team and allies lost more than 50 challenges. >> the cases run their course, the electoral college meets, people are saying no. so he's running out of options, right? the sequence is increasingly desperate. >> on friday, december 18, his team of outside advisors paid him a surprise visit in the white hou that would quickly become the stuff of legend. >> this meeting is one of the most extraordinary meetings that ever happened in that building, in more than 200 years of history. here you had a president of the united states who had lost an election, in the oval office, being advised by... a swarm of colorful characters, to say the least. >> narrator: at the meeting: former national security advisor michael flynn and attorney sidney powell, by then both known for their embrace of conspiracy theories about the election. >> you had people in there counseling donald trump that he should explicitly order

the electoral college was designed to be a good thing and it can be a good thing.st of the citizens' votes. host: all right, karen. there's 40 delegates at stake with the iowa caucuses for the republicans tonight. i also want to inform you of what we've learned from the iowa republican party. un the caucuses. it's not the secretary of st it's not state officials. they run it ey said that they are on track right now to have around 100,000 iowans participating in024 first in the natio iowa caucuses. iowans braved record low temperatures after a blizzard blanketed their state just days earlier to deliberate with meers of their community about the futu our country and participate in true grass roots democracy. that's a statement from the iowa g.o.p. state chair. that is lower than the record turnout that they've seen in previous caucus cycles but they did set a record for temperatures today, negative 30 with the windchill. lucy in reedsport, oregon. republican. hi, lucy. go ahead. we're listening what did you think of the iowa caucuses and the outcome the results here?

they wanted to take it to a place where it was a mess to certify the electoral college.n says if that isn't decisive, then the house of representatives voting by state, that means 4 million people have one vote. that means other states, would not even 1 million people, have one vote. and our founders did not have -- >> that was not what they intended when it comes to people's voices. we're gonna squeeze in a very small break. speaker emerita is gonna stay with me. we're gonna be back in a moment. >>> we are back with house speaker emerita nancy pelosi. speaker pelosi, it can't get crazier, it seems, but it kind of does. in an interview just tonight, trump made interesting remarks, interesting as the one we described, about the economy. we just want to play for. >> we have an economy that is so fragile. and the only reason it's running now, it's running off the fumes of what we did. it's just running off the fumes. and when there is a crash, i hope it's gonna be in the next 12 months because i don't want to be herbert hoover. >> i mean, basically, he wants a crash because

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. >> there is a system that our founders gave us where those votes go into an electoral college. ch state gets a few electors, and the person who gets the most electoral votes is the person who becomes president. that may not be the same person as the person who got the most popular votes. >> we know this can sound a bit confusing, but it's all a part of our republic, a government by the peoplelic, a government by the people >>> all right, now for what's on your mind? this week one young viewer is wondering about something every one of us is born with, but no two are alike. fingerprints let's get details from our pal, dr. john torres. >> hello, my name is bronson i'm almost 8 years old i would like to know why all our fingerprints are all different >> that's a fantastic question, and it turns out everyone's fingerprints around the world are completely different your fingerprints from one hand are different from your fingerprints on your other hand and here is why. fingerprints develop before we're born, while we're growing inside our mother's womb the genes we got from our parents

trump really has nothing to lose in colorado, where he's expected to lose all of the electoral collegee did in the last election. but in maine, because they have a different sort of a voting system, trump won one of that state's electoral college votes and it may be too important to let that state go. >> with all that being said, we're coming up on the primary calendar here a lot of things are goingo collide for the former president. >> yeah. that's putting it mildly. we'll see some of this as early as next week when donald trump is expected to attend the closing arguments of his civil fraud trial, four days before the iowa caucus. the idea that you would be in new york and not iowa four days before the caucus would sound crazy in any other election year. but that's just the tip of the iceberg for all of the legal challenges he's going to have throughout this year. now, most of them would come on the calendar after his team believes he might have wrapped up the nomination. the other big one i'm circling is the idea that the election interference case jack smith case here in d.c., could