the internet john perry barlow barlow is an essayist songwriter founding member of the electronic frontier foundation he was also a rancher for nearly twenty years john perry barlow welcome to the kaiser report. all right. john perry barlow you were on cross talk recently this this way talking about occupy wall street but i want to follow up specifically on the group called anonymous not many people talk about their involvement but what do you think of anonymous as an activist group i think it's a very interesting and new form of activist groups i mean they are anonymous even though i have an awful lot of. discourse with them or if i haven't actually physically met any of them and at the same time i find that they are showing admirable restraint given who they are as far as i can tell and how they feel about things i think they are and they're a hugely supportive force for the occupy movement and i think that they're ready willing and able to. punish the institutions that they i think legitimately feel are overreaching so far they haven't been engaging in the sorts of things that scare those institut

independent filmmaker in san francisco we have john perry barlow he's co-founder of the electronic frontier foundation and in london we go to laurie penny she is a journalist and feminist activist all right folks this is cross talk to me as you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it but first marcia is social media driving the process i think it's more complicated than that but what we have witnessed over the course of less than a here is remarkable three north african regimes down the larger part of the arab world a blaze and now civil uprisings are gripping settings from it away to the u.s. to japan to that and many have raised questions about how much information technology accounts for the scale of the process and as recent events in egypt and elsewhere have shown we're only just beginning to comprehend the effects of the information revolution on power in this century the internet and technology were part of the arab springs narrative is beyond question video clips of the first protests in tunisia were recorded using mobile phones and posted on facebook making their way across

dangers here for free speech joining me to discuss this is trevor tim activists of the electronic frontier foundation and he carries the legal twitter feed we're reporting on legal and first amendment issues surrounding wiki leaks trevor i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i mean are you surprised a lot of the financial blockade actually ended up hurting wiki leaks or considering how much pay pal master card and visa all dominate this market has become virtually impossible to give money to the organization yet i mean this was kind of inevitable because as you said. it was sort of the guardian saying that they respect control ninety seven percent of all humans online so when you can't. be certain it's money it's going to be problems especially with all the legal costs there are all the trouble with their servers and just the traffic on the roads. so funny so. why. i'm censoring with you it's corporations and government who might you know would be organized but eventually we can suffer as well exactly how much money do you think that it takes i mean are they using the majority of the

dangers here for free speech joining me to discuss this is trevor tim activists of the electronic frontier foundation and a legal twitter feed where reporting on legal and first amendment issues surrounding wiki leaks trevor i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i mean are you surprised at all that the financial blockade actually ended up hurting wiki leaks or considering how much paper mastercard and visa all dominate this market has become virtually impossible to get money to the organization yeah i mean this was kind of inevitable because as you said they really dominate the market distorts the guardian saying that they basically control ninety seven percent of all humans online so when you can't win with. a certain set of its money there's going to be problems especially with all the legal costs there are all the trouble with protecting their servers and just the traffic on the web site it costs a lot of money to run it so i think by. kind of censoring. corporations the government knew it might take you know it would be overnight but eventually we saw for us well exactly how much