elif: under erdogan. so what we have seen in turkey is the country under erdogan has been going backwards and declining into ultra nationalism, islamism, populist authoritarianism. when and where that happens, we will also see an increase in sexism, misogyny, homophobia. in my opinion, these things always go hand in hand. emma: there must be many, though, who are in support. or do you see it as a mask? elif: there are some in support, of course, but for all kinds of reasons. and as you pointed out, this government has been in power for a very long time. they came to power with liberal promises of reform. at the time, they were pro turkey's eu membership. emma: do you consider turkey -- i say you call it your motherland, but do you consider it your home? what is your identity, as far as you are concerned? because you are someone who has paid a lot of attention to that. elif: i care about this question so much, identity. for me, it is not a static, solid, single thread. it is not a monolithic block. i want