joining us is elijah magneer, journalist and. political analyst joining us out of brussels and najim manager at canadian defenders for human rights, joining us from toronto. hello gentlemen, i like to welcome you both to the program. i guess we will start there in brussels with you, mr. elijah magneer, so what do you make of the saudi's meeting with some factions of palestinian leadership there in the occupied west bank, and we have heard nothing about... a meeting with resistance groups, is that possibly a red flag? thank you for having me. i think this is a first step for the saudis to normalize in the latest step with israel. at the end of the day, the ambassador they've sent to jerusalem and to meet with the palestinian authority is an ambassador who has been in jordan, has long experience in contacting and and meeting with the israelis, we have to keep in mind that saudi arabia has sent already several saudi delegations to israel years ago and is continuing the cooperation with israel, the only thing that is missing is the public announcement, and for that to happen, i think sau