. >> elijah mcclain, that's the one who always hits me. >> stop right there. stop. stop. stop.e suspicious. >> elijah mcclain was walking home from buying tee when three police officers put him in a choke hold, a choke hold that has since been made illegal. >> i'm just different. that's all. >> paramedics forcibly injected e elijah ket mean. and of course the police were not charged with anything. defund the shit out of this. look, i see myself in elijah's story. i'm different, too. always have been. elijah was a massage therapist. he taught himself violin. and then he played it for spray c -- stray cats. i'm sure his mother fought to protect her son the same way that mine fought to protect me, knowing full well that the way this country sees black children, especially our young men and boys, puts a target on their back from day one. >> you know, i went to oakland public schools. and when you grow up in a place that is overwhelmingly majority students of color, there is just a different way that the system views kids' behavior. >> the education system, a system that's supposed

. >> elijah mcclain. that's the one that always hits me. >> stop. stop. stop.use you're being suspicious. >> on august 24th, 2019, in aurora, colorado, 23-year-old elijah mcclain was walking home from buying tea when three police officers quickly put him in a choke hold. a choke hold that has since been made illegal. >> paramedics enforceably injected elijah with ketamine, after he went into cardiac arrest and was pronounced dead three days later. and of course the police were not charged with a damn thing. defund the shit out of this. look, i see myself in elijah's story. i'm different too. always have been. elijah was a massage therapist. he taught himself violin, and then he played it for stray cats. who doesn't want to hang out with that guy? he quite literally danced to the beat of his own drum, and i'm sure his mother fought to protect her son the same way that mine fought to protect me, knowing full well that the way this country sees black children, especially our young boys, puts a target on their back from day one. >> you know, i went to oakland publi

that is where elijah mcclain would be killed a few years later and then another woman describing thething happening to her. she was hogtied in front of her neighbors. can you also talk about the hobble? >> the hobble is the actual strap that police use to rep. brown: someone's ankle -- to wrap around someone's ankle and they attached to the handcuffed or in the case of vanessa peoples, to a belt around her waist. if you show this picture to any person in the walmart parking lot, they would look at it and say,, that is a hogtie, because the feet are pulled up behind the person's back and the person is handcuffed behind their back. the's a slight difference in the hobble is used without attaching to the handcuffs sometimes, but if you look at it, it is virtually the same position. vanessa peoples, she shouted out seven times while she was restrained, while they were restraining her, that she could not breathe. you're right, they took her out and eventually she was lying in her front yard for all her neighbors to see like that. juan: flint taylor, you mentioned the efforts of the offici

those are people who are in mental health crisis, people like elijah mcclain in aurora who may be autisticed a response other than police a lot of the time. doj seems to be recognizing that. seems to be recognizing that sometimes we need other people besides police to respond to situations if we're going to serve communities appropriately. >> just quickly, you've noted as well that some forms of policing, regardless of what a commission may find or an investigation, they remain legal under local or federal law. is there one element of the current police reform proposals now before congress that you think is essential to change today to make a difference in terms of the way the law sees this? >> that's a great question and a difficult question to answer in part because so much of what needs to change is best done at the state or local level. at the federal level, one of the things we can do is hold officers accountable and hold cities and states and counties accountable for what their officers do. that will incentivize. >> qualified immunity central to the debate. christy lopez, thank you f