and if something happens where a beat elinor is incapacitated or deceased, how do we take control of that particular beat and put a time line on when that beat is sold or not have reverted back to the commission. the commission can retire it or put it up for sale and to make the decisions so that everybody understands the process. >> we have met with the city attorney regarding these matters. we're back to where we were when we had the initial report. he uncharted waters of patrol specialists are unique to our city. we're back to the tug-of-war on if we are part of the police force, they are not. but we regulate them. the issues that arise about him if he does own the beat, when does he have to work at? can he even have a patrol special assistant? patrol special assistants are not in the charter. they are under the guidance of the commission. should we even have patrol special assistants anymore? is it reasonable to have them and we have seen a worker's comp claims. we are part of the police department, it is very ambiguous and problematic. we're back to square one when we have addre

and if something happens where a beat elinor is incapacitated or deceased, how do we take control of that particular beat and put a time line on when that beat is sold or not have reverted back to the commission. the commission can retire it or put it up for sale and to make the decisions so that everybody understands the process. >> we have

interestingly enough, a woman recently by the name of elinor ostrum won the nobel prize for work that essentially says not always, under circumstances, under certain conditions, people can manage a resource for the common good over a long period of time. the trick is, how do we strengthen those levers that allow them to do that? it isn't always the case that people will go down this accelerating path. if there's urgent need, you hav to meet those urgent needs. but once you get out of that absolute survival stage, you can think forward. look, you know, i've gone on a few trips to indonesia recently, because i think it's a fascinating and complicated country, even though my experience is mostly in africa. and i'll tell you something-- i was with a guy by the name of mohammad, and he works for the nature conservancy. and he was telling me how he goes to these villages, and instead of talking to them about marine protective areas-- you know, "set aside this area for fish"-- which he got nowhere with, he now talks about fish banks, banki forish. he says, "look, this is really a savings acc