eliot and elliott was performing one of his plays for the first time since he was at a bed and breakfast and they asked him are you the author of the conservative mind and he was absolutely flabbergasted that anyone would know him like that and it turned out that the owner had just gotten a "time" magazine issue where the entire section was dedicated to his book. he was being interviewed on the radio throughout all of the 1950s. plus he had a regularly syndicated column in the 60s and 70s and people knew him from that as well. he also wrote short stories and a lot of people that know his stories, stephen king writes about him actually, that h but d no idea that he is also in the conservative mind and vice ver versa. >> for his stories good sellers? >> the world bear appeared as yu could expect and not any kind of gentle way that he called them rather gothic. it's not accidental that the publisher actually published kirk's early fictions so these are anti-daemonic, they are black masses and very involved in the way stephen king would be today. >> we are talking with bradley birzer profess