[laughter] -- can tellllel elisa 100%. we did not know anything about how they were structured. we did not know collaborators, what plots were out there. it was through the interrogation of the detainees that we establish disinformation. michael hayden has said that over half of the intelligence we've had from 2006 came from detainee's about threats to the question. is stop a series of terrorist plots and it also gave a hue after amount of information about the operations of al qaeda. as we became more knowledgeable, when the program had been stopped and president bush went to congress to get legislation to restarted, once you resume the progress and he made a conscious decision because we had changed -- gained a lot of information about al qaeda, he decided to scale back the techniques and sacrifice effectiveness. and he knew he was sacrificing effectiveness in its exchange for political sustainability. he wanted to have a program in place that the next administration, republican or democrat, liberal or conservative, could come in and continue without compromising their values

meet elisa, still in high school, she lost three close friends to drunk driving. >> it changed me forheart all the time because i am out there doing this because of what happened. >> reporter: elisa, a teenage undercover sheriff's decoy. that's why we can't show you her face. she and her decoy team, all volunteers, loiter outside of stores hoping to catch strangers who agree to buy them beer. >> about 10% of people that they ask will actually buy them for them. >> reporter: but that is illegal. a misdemeanor here in california. even a felony in some states if you supply liquor to kids under 21. >> he is turning towards the alley. here he comes. come on in. come on in. >> reporter: san diego county sheriffs deputies like other agencies across the country frequently do these string operations and invited us along. we are across the street from the liquor store, decoys will gel out but we will hang back. so we don't blow their cover. elisa and the other decoys first tell strangers they're too young to get their own liquor and offer the adults money to buy them a six-pack. we ask once, if

fortune five hundred you're really talking about the global five hundred so it's encouraging again that elisa earnings are growing i mean you've got to have that in place for them to start adding workers and what the hope is now that we've seen productivity figures come down companies have cut to the bone they're seeing a rebound now and they'll start adding workers in the u.s. but you know the u.s. remains a very expensive place to hire people in the business relative to other parts of the world that's starting to change you're seeing inflationary pressures wage gains in china making some parts the world that once were low cost a little bit more moderate now and i will say that is spurring some manufacturing rebound in the u.s. so again do companies doing well overseas is still better than not doing well at all and hopefully in the u.s. as we've had stagnant wages here for quite some time and other countries are seeing their costs go up will begin to look a little bit more attractive you'll see more companies hiring here and moving operations back but you know it is it would be nice to see m

i would like to start with a point that elisa touched on briefly, but there's some emphasis.lisa mentioned that there are people in the human-rights community who would object to her having this debate at all. but that this is actually an important place to start. the new york times editorial after this question arose said the question of the efficacy of these techniques is an illegitimate question. and we were not allowed to discuss it at all. so i think the important place to start this discussion is, first of all, to agree with elisa that these are actually important questions, and it actually matters very profoundly, they are extraordinarily hard to answer for all the reasons that we had talked about and i am sure we will continue to talk about. the first important thing to say is that the situation in which we're going to capture high value detainees in a crisis environment and have to figure out what techniques you are and are not going to do to them is going to rise again at some point. when it does, the calculation that we will make will not be a simple moral copulati

. >> elisa mackie is one of those students. >> i was applying to school as my father passed away. that dramatically changed other financial situation. so that's why i'm in need of the assistance. when i applied, i didn't know about the initiative. it wasn't until about three weeks before i showed up on campus that i got my financial aid pack and i remember my mom opening the letter thinking it might be a mistake because it said family contribution, zero. >> when you started here at harvard, you had a responsibility as part of the financial aid package you're receiving, right? >> there is a student contribution, it's not a lot of money. >> there are many college presidents struggling with how to attract students from historically disadvantaged populations and what they can do. what would you say to them? >> we have to send a message to students that we want them and that those of us who can support the financial aid programs like ours are do so. >> how has this program impacted your career decisions? >> if there was no financial aid initiative, there would be maybe a little more pr

i would actually like to start with a point that elisa touched on briefly but there's some emphasis. there are people in the human- rights community who would object to her having this debate at all. i think this is actually an important place to start. the "new york times" editorialized after this question arose that the question of the -- the question of the efficacy of these techniques is an illegitimate question and we were not allowed to discuss it at all. i think the important place to start this discussion is, first of all to agree that these are actually important questions and it actually matters very profoundly. the questions are extraordinarily hard to answer for all of the reasons we have talked about and i'm sure we will continue to talk about. i think the first important thing to say is that the situation in which you're going to capture a high-value detainee in a crisis environment and have to figure out what techniques you are and are not going to do to them is going to rise again at some point. and when it does, the calculation we will make will not be a simple moral