washington bureau chief elisabeth bumiller.s. army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. he is the author of the book "here, right matters, an american story." >> one quick correction. c.s. lewis, i think, is refused with j.r. tolkien there, but we'll get to that later. >> okay. >>> interesting to hear roy blunt say the most insidious form of authoritarianism, more insidious than soviet communism, more insidious than the holocaust, more insidious than stalin's killing of maybe up to 30, 35 million of his own people, more insidious than the 60 million people that were killed, is making people get a vaccine. having a mandate to get a vaccine. when everybody in that picture, everybody around this table, everybody in this studio, everybody sitting in congress had to have five vaccines before they started their education. it really is remarkable, like, how stupid this anti-vaccine debate can be. and the continued comparisons to the holocaust for something that every one of them had to do to begin kindergarten. >> your thoughts? >> y