. —— elisabetta grapelli. shejoins university in london. —— elisabetta grapelli.ondon. —— elisabetta grapelli. shejoins me now. these are quite draconian measures the italian government is imposing? yes, draconian is exactly the words that has been used to define them. they are certainly quite drastic, because restriction of movement is not something we are familiar with. but they are widely considered as the measures that absolutely need to be put in place. and this is because italy has had the most serious outbreak in europe? is that why they seem to be further ahead, if you like, in terms of public health measures? possibly. the numbers are certainly quite high, and they are the highest in europe. and therefore the highest in europe. and therefore the measures for containment need to be appropriate. i think it is going to be difficult to say if italy is ahead of the other countries, because we don't know, and certainly we do not hope for other countries to reach these numbers. do you have any theory as to quite why it has taken hold in italy in this way? oh, it