. -- elise jordan is here.u look at greece, italy, spain, if you look at portugal, ireland, the world economy, 25 trillion in debt, we'll have in 10 years. minimum. it is getting a little scary out there. >> i think it shows the huge unrest with the massive amount of debt that european countries have and can't reasonably repay in any amount of time and the u.s. too. it is really troubling when we think about the next generation and how we are going to start to pay for this. >> sean: doug, i've been laying out here -- i'm watching independents in this country, you follow independents, >> i do. >> sean: and you follow the tea party closely. >> i do. >> sean: i love the tea party they were principled in this debate. i think they are recognizing the root cause of the problem. i want a solution that is going to solve the problem. but for cut, cap and balance none of them hit it. why isn't there the willingness to see the severity in this? >> both sides have failed to systematically to deal with the problem and have