. >> host: in your book the famous suffragist elizabeth cady stanton sees the vote as affirming the full citizenship and dignity of women and you say she is wrong but if groups of people are excluded or let's assume not that women or blacks don't vote, aren't they being treated as second-class citizens until they feel that they are? >> this is a big question now spend many chapters disentangling what goes in here but one part is when you get a vote does that make you more autonomous? i think it is no. you don't move from being a petitioner so your chances should not matter if you have one or not. that is the built-in democracy groups matter. not individuals. so to systematically exclude the negative things to happen but with that demographic objection suppose you have a bed to give the background injustice but if this is to spread across all demographic groups. . . completely avoids the problem and the system might talk about the problem because you are tested for the affected the demographics this would only applied to the enfranchisement kind of system. even then i'm not so sure for a

he was married to the sister of elizabeth cady stanton, his wife was somewhat tangential in the movement. and so he was a very public figure and he had been very, very outspoken about the need to win the war. he was what they called a bitter renderer. he felt like there was no sacrifice of a separate pane included the life of one of his nephews whom he had -- his body he had to retrieve the year before gettysburg after he had been killed there. so he was on record in the very decisive ways the same no matter what the sacrifices, we need to win this war. suddenly, he apprised of the battlefield on the first day of gettysburg and misinformed by several officers that his son has been badly wounded. they take him to the poor house on the other side and so the book is about his search for his boy in the aftermath of the battle and the tens of thousands of people that came from all over the country whose paths he crossed as armies are pulling out the survey of mercy kamen and a whole balance of heroes were unknown including african-americans who've been hunted, it even stepped forward to help

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