. >> host: john brown, sojourner truth, elizabeth cady stanton, susan b anthony.y were powerhouses. so to have that, and there was tension as i understand. >> guest: when we moved to this moment we are celebrating order commemorating the anniversary to give the right to vote, harriet tubman is right in there advocating for the suffrage for women as early as 1860 she's with elizabeth cady stanton, lucretia mond, other whiteswhite suffragists that wee pushing the needle attempting to get women the right to vote and there was great tension and this is something we kind of reckon with as we move into this moment we know that actually black women don't receive that right or at least it is withdrawn from them over time and it is in this interesting position because she's worked with these suffragists. if they were allies in that respect, but many of them were quite angry black men had been given the right to vote and they were still shut out and disenfranchised. she felt like she had to choose, but she didn't. as a politician she had relationships with this older genera

put on the table and we're all bound up together in humanity it really says it's not the elizabeth cady stanton narrow view but in fact as a black woman because i'm at the crossroads of racism and sexism women like me should be at the center because the coalition manages to lift me up we are all lifted up politically and empowered. but my point is that story is often told to vilify white women or black men. but in both instances it is a story told as if the women were not there in fact francis harper fought off both stanton and douglas she spoke about violence and sexual violence and the specific plate of african-american women in the country and in the face of freedom and the struggle around citizenship. she doesn't get the hearing she might in that meeting, but her ideas leave a legacy that will pick up and work through even through today. >> you also quote her to say that white right on - - white women speak of rights and black women speak of wrongs. i appreciate you bringing up the primary with barack obama facing off with hillary clinton because i interviewed a lot of black women during th

different political philosophy and then to bundle in one humanity i will not account for elizabeth cady stantonand in fact as a black woman with racism and sexism women like me should be at the center and then to lift me up we should all be lifted up and the empowered politically. but my point is that is often told and for violence if they were not there and they both face-off against stanton to speak about violence and sexual violence and african-american women then to leave that legacy for black women to pick up that. >> and so i appreciate you bringing up the primary with barack obama because i went to interview those women during the next presidential primary and then to spoke about how painful it was and then to choose ways of her gender and then they tell you to support hillary clinton and this is a chance to redeem. so that struggle that was built on the foundation of which it was built. >> so what becomes a regular charge of political discourse is to take a moment at the podium to articulate for the and initiated and what your own political trajectory has been we watch senator harris do

gail, you talk about elizabeth cady stanton, you talk about carrie chapman catt, you talk about alicealk about sojourner truth, you talk about several suffragists, one of the things i love about elizabeth cady stanton, as a mom myself, she had babies on each hip, babies around her skirts, she was still just bold, radical woman her whole life. can you talk a little bit about the investigation and the research you did and the writing you did about the suffrage movement in your book. >> gail: it came up a lot. you find it in a lot of different places. i've been thinking about it a lot this week of course, it came up again. you've got to have income of your own, there's one thing that what i read in history that's taught me is that women who can bring in money, women who make money for themselves and their families have a whole different status in life than women who are confined just to be in housewives and mothers. it wasn't there doing for stock and different things they went along and moved to cities but i wonder this about the sexual à Ãthe fact that right now since the 1970s there's

there were many men along the way who were supportive of elizabeth cady stanton, her husband.usbandhapman catt's essentially bankrolled her participation in the movement because he was able to support travelssupport her related to women's suffrage. host: michael is next, new york. caller: good morning. it is so fitting, this topic you guys are talking about with women's rights and everything going on in the world. as we reflect back, we look back into the abolitionist movement and how instrumental women were. it ties right into the next movement come out to the suffrage movement, where harriet tubman was this abolitionist that helped free slaves. now we have to look at women as being instrumental in this process of getting rights to vote. hads fitting today you guys this on and the way things are going with the post office and rights to vote. it is so important to exercise our right, and women saw that. i love history. i love to see this stuff. it reminds us where we came from. locally, every time i drive through the town, it is a sight to see. a museum up there and everything

and a story about a proposed monument at central park, one that would celebrate elizabeth cady stanton and anthony was circulating. it just said to me we were in danger perhaps of entering into this anniversary year and overlooking black women's quite literally so at the time i thought to try and pull together this regeneration of black women's history and to offer up one volume that would really permit all of us to fully appreciate the role black women played in political culture. >> this started as a notion that this was a book that would be filled with black women first and black women breaking barriers, shattering theories and that's absolutely true. as i began to reflect on what i was finding i realized that first it was a core principle that black women had really arrived at 200 years ago in the beginning of the 19th century and had carried forward until our own time and this was the idea that american politics should have no place for racism and sexism and when i recognize how long black women had been championing that view, when i realized how long they had been alone in carryi

she is a much more moderate character than say elizabeth that elizabeth cady stanton. she wants the vote for this reason, her husband is abusive. every time she wants to leave him, he says great, go, you will never see your kids again. because in this era, children are the property of their fathers. if women divorce their husbands, they can be kept from their kids. she stays married and tries to continue to have access to the kids. the great part of this story is he is really awful to her, i read through her diaries, he is really awful to her and keeps trying to get her to destroy the diaries. he keeps telling her she is stupid and nobody is going to listen to her, she doesn't matter, and that he is really the shining light in the couple because he is a very famous reformer. i always try to make a point to talk about her in this situation because i want you all to leave this room and for the rest of your lives to remember that julia ward howe is an incredibly important thinker, writer, you're going to hear more about her in a minute, and she is married to some jerk nob

ones i really have become much fonder of than i thought i was going to be when i started was elizabeth cady stantona famous suffrage leader. always sort of have this kind of a little bit remote aura, if i was reading her stuff when most of the things i realized about her this was a woman she has seven kids she does all of her stuff she's walking around doing going to speech is doing all the things she's been doing to end slavery and give women the right to vote and she suddenly realizes that there is so much prejudice against women doing things in public, if you gave a speech in public you were a harlot, people throw stones at you it was a very big deal. she thought about that and she realized that she could use her old list to make all this work. she was suddenly walking around the country saying, gray hair, i have gray hair, i'm really old but here i am, i'm gonna come talk to you about homemaking and the life of the family and maybe a little bit about slavery and abolition and the right to vote. she traveled all over the country at a time when women did not travel by themselves at all. playing c

elizabeth cady stanton, her husband extraordinarily supportive. carrie chapman catt's husband who was actually quite wealthy essentially bank rolled her participation in the movement because he was able to support her and support all of her travels related to women's suffrage. >> michael is next. watkins glen, new york. good morning. >> caller: hey, good morning. it is so fitting this topic that you guys are talking about today with women's rights and rights to vote and what not. everything that's going on in the world. and as we reflect back we look back into the abolitionist movement as you speak and how instrumental women were then. and it is just -- ties right into the next movement, to the suffrage movement, where harriet tubman was this abolitionist that helped free slaves and now we have to look at women as being very instrumental in this whole process of getting rights to vote. it is so fitting today you guys have this on and the way things are going on with the post office and rights to vote, it is so important to exercise our right, and

we have betsy griffith who's the author of a book on elizabeth cady stanton. >> she was a nasty woman. >> aren't we all? >> i teach history in politics as well. i hope you will be against one of my classes. suffrage passes because by 1919 women were voting in enough states and controlled enough electoral college votes that the congress is going to switch rather than have women both them out of office. but there are all these complexities. i can't wait to read your book. congratulations and thank you. i'm interested in the money. these women were sort of the emily's list of that era. i know mrs. belmont was feeling the bag with cash and come back on the train with it. -- 3 million dollar inheritance were you evil to track actual funds? the traditional women get more. or all these women about whom you have written, daughters as well as supporters? >> that's interesting question. thank you very much. i think most of them were donors, but the point i was making in the book was different. that aspect of their involvement had been covered before. to me what was more intriguing was not that

talk about legislation. , there is this massive thatthat holly is riding starts in 1848 with elizabeth cady stantonding the declaration of sentiment at seneca falls. it is late 19th century, getting really big, and she is on the crest of it. hollyot just carrie clyde changing the world, but women across the country are taking on tasks that are new to women and working very hard for suffrage. there are many, many names we do not know. but for carrie clyde holly, now at least a few people know her name. we can take pride as a state that we had the first woman legislator anywhere in the country, and pueblo can take pride as a county that we provided the first woman who ever served as a legislator and passed legislation anywhere in the entire country, maybe the entire world. world moved and carrie clyde holly was there when it did. thank you. >> awesome. is soyou so much, it amazing to hear about carrie that she wasand the first representative here and maybe in the world. my first question, what places might be in the thought of the first representatives in the legislature? prof. gaughan: the country o

elizabeth cady stanton, susan b.together wait, what look, i love that there's a monument, but these three hanging out? what are they having a conversation about hey, let's plan a women's march. yay! but sojourner, you're going to have to walk in the back ♪ that's how it really went down ♪ and then trump said that a vaccine might be available right before the election, and i was like, what that seems like awfully suspicious timing. also, no one trusts the guy who just a little bit ago was like, hm, drink bleach look, i'm sorry but i wouldn't trust trump to give me a cookie, let alone a needle of something. then for some reason, trump decided to hold a town hall and i was like, what would you do that for no one likes you then i saw that black people were there and i was like, what? he's going to get it then while this lady was asking a question, trump interrupted her. and she hit him with a - >> please stop and let me finish my question, sir >> and i was like, what? whoo then herman cain tweeted from the dead and i was

first the national women's suffrage association forms and these are women like elizabeth cady stanton and susan b. anthony who were very active in the abolitionist movement and they tend to be more radical. they want a wide number of reforms for american women, they are going to level the playing field between men and women with property ownership, divorce laws, the different economic inequalities between the sexes. they are seen as radicals. you get tos later, the organization of the american women's suffrage association and that is a much more moderate group. it is interesting for my purposes today because it is formed primarily by lucy stone and julia ward howe. they demanded only the vote with the idea that one should get the vote -- once you get the vote, you have a say in government and can change the laws if you do not like the laws. this is always a part where i want to talk about julia ward howe. howe is the same woman who wrote the battle hymn of the republic in 1862, i have talked about her before, she begins to take on a much more public role during the civil war especiall