i am pastor elizabeth eckdale and with me today is pastor greg schaffer. you serve in palo alto at university lutheran church. >> that's right. >> and, of course, serving in palo alto is unique setting. but what makes your congregation even that more unique is your connection with stanford university. you are a campus ministry setting. >> we are a campus minimumsry congregation of the elca. evangelical lutheran church. >> how long have you been there. >> 12 years a little more than 12 years. >> you've seen students come and go. >> a lot. yeah. >> a lot. and is it a congregation that is in transition year after year or do you have people who staying at. >> both. there's an interesting mix of people in the congregation. a lot of students undergraduate graduate with and professional students. and that turnover happens pretty fast. sometimes with the grad student not as fast as they would like it to. but eventually they finish and graduate. and that's always hard for us. there's las group of people who are alumni who decide to stay involved in the congregation