first of all the 16th of december 2005 matthew and elizabeth freud. is says social. those are friends of yours? >> yes. math through i must have known for some 20 years. he married someone i was at university with, his first wife. so i've known him through then. i'm trying to find the page you but i think it was a social occasion. >> and elizabeth murdoch. how long have you known her? >> i suppose since they got married, but i can't put a date on it. >> your first meeting here, january, 2006. your witness statement makes clear an encounter 2005 before you were a leader. around the 1st of february '06. daily male drinks. it's unfair to ask you on what particular occasion this was six years ago, but do you thinks that was a one-on-one? >> yob remember because it was a long time ago. the meetings i've had with him probably have probably been a one-on-one drink. supposedly a lunch. i remember one of two of the daily bail a mixture. one or two a month yes. >> one other. the 18th of december '06. which is page 4205, it's a dinner actually. about the time the commissioner's

another reason why i think this whole idea is -- >> elizabeth freud is part of the task force. >> that's true. the list on page 37, i would argue that is a pretty balanced list of people from different parts of broadcasting leader in technology. as i say, he is hardly a shrinking violet and i wouldn't put him in charge if you had some secret agenda. >> probably not shrinking violet, but is it your position that we will have a range of views coming across from the individuals? >> what we are trying to do is assemble a group of people that included radio, music, new media, itv, so pretty good mix actually. the person leading it was a former director general of the bbc. i think that's significant. >> occur we look at it? you gave a speech that wasn't at all. it's paragraph 113. you did make puts about off comment on the two or three paragraphs. >> it's important to stress this was a big speech that was a sense after 13 years, the state got very big and they were very powerful. the people working were extraordinarily well-paid. i worked on it with oliver to try to come up with it instead of

first of all, the 16th of december, 2005, which is our page -- that the and elizabeth freud. known him since then. i'm trying to find the page but i think it was a social occasion. >> now elizabeth freud, how long have you known her? >> i suppose since they got married but i can't put a date on it. >> your first meeting here with rupert murdoch as your witness statement made earlier account before your leader. the first of february, '06 drinks. is it unfair to ask you one particular case which was six years ago, do you think that was a one on one as a work, or were there people their speakers i don't remember. it was a long time ago, but the meetings i've had with paul dacre i would say most probably would've been a one and one drink, occasioned a lunch. he has done some where there's been a ranger journalist from "the daily mail," number one or two of those but a mixture but i think one on one. >> if one were to look at one of the with mr. dacre the 18th of december '06. which is page 04205, dinner actually. about the time that the information commissions second report came o