. >> up next, elizabeth gould and paul fitzgerald take a critical look at u.s. policy towards afghanistan and pakistan and discuss the fight for control of the border region between the pashtuns and punjabis. from city lights back store? the -- city lights bookstore in chicago, this is about an hour. >> we are very delighted to be hosting paul fitzgerald and elizabeth gould. they are a husband and wife team since 1977, journalists, documentary film makers. they were the first american journalists in 981 -- 1981 permitted to enter afghanistan behind soviet lines. they have worked for cbs news, they've produced a documentary for pbs, they've appeared on abc's nightline. they have produced the documentaries, "afghanistan: between three worlds," and "the woman in exile returns." they are the authors of "invisible history: afghanistan's untold story" which is published by city lights, and i'm happy tonight to be celebrating together with all of you the release of "crossing zero: the afpak war at the turning point of american empire," which is the companion volume to