host: elizabeth kneebone? guest: one of the talent is of having a fragmented system like this, suburbs themselves into be quite fragmented. there are overlaps and inefficiencies that we're missing out on because of the fragmentation. we do see a newer efforts in trying to blend dollars from the federal level on down more flexibly, to use them across more than one jurisdiction. i think that's a very promising model and the way to move forward, because we see cost savings with the dollars stretched further to help more places and have better outcomes at the end of the process. these steps we can take in the short term and long term to reduce the kind of fragmentation that would help make these resources stretched further. host: the cul-de-sac property headline that the new york times used, they put it on a piece written by you, a co- author of this report, on may 20, 2013, if you are interested in reading what the elizabeth kneebone put together, based on this report from brookings. next, maryland, independent c