he's one of heidi, who played by elizabeth moss, brilliantly. >> seth: so great. >> so, great.rtant player throughout, her life. the play spans two decades. and scoop is one of the guys that sort of on again, off again lover. we come to find that they're ultimately they can't be together. and, but he is a really interesting character for me to play. it's different. look i am kind of used to playing a sort of more likable guys i think. this guy is, not, not that likeable. >> seth: all right. well, that's nice. >> yeah, yeah. so it is, it has been fun. yeah, it's been a nice sort of coming off "orange is the new black." where i kind of feel like that guy became not quite so likable. as well. yeah. it was -- >> seth: was that a part. that show, i found everybody watching the show. is that a part you started getting recognized for? >> yeah, it's actually it was really interesting. i did this movie called "american pie." >> seth: never heard of it. [ cheers ] don't see a lot of movies. >> and, it is -- probably get it on netflix or something. >> seth: sure, okay. >> but, so it was,