elizabeth rankin-fulcher is a member of the board of esper, and she is joining us today. thank you so much for being with us. >> it's my joy. >> i -- stamp collecting. i always thought of it as a kid, but it is really a popular hobby >> absolutely. >> and you guys focus specifically on those stamps that relate to people of color, essentially. >> yes. about? >> oh, there are lots and lots of them. >> mm-hmm. >> we focus on not only the black heritage series stamp, which is exclusively african-american, but we also -- we collect from around the country. >> mm-hmm. >> for instance, usually when i go to another country, i go to the post office. and i seek out a stamp there, a stamp of color. and so when i went to china, i got a stamp of mr. obama. >> mm-hmm. in china? >> in china. >> it's almost like, in a way, a history lesson, too. >> absolutely. that's why we'd like to get young people involved. >> having much success at that? >> little right now, but i'm gonna be really working on that. >> pushing for that. >> yes, absolutely. >> now, this maya angelou stamp, which was, i