the meetings i have sat in and elizabeth scanllion, that is the issue, the footprint and how dense this city is and the square footage available is the issue. for a fire training facility you need a large space and compared to what you are saying, treasure island, that facility built in the 1950's by the navy for firefighting was never built to house two or three recruiting academies with two or three ems academies whenever we could fit it in. this is really where, if we're looking right now, is our in-service training on the grounds of our training. i send my staff out into the field and do our training out there because, you know, we're on the streets which works. but we need a large footprint, a large footprint. >> what's the current? >> the current is about four acres. >> okay. >> probably 2 1/2 usable. and you know, talking with the work group, we're probably looking anywhere from four to six acre would probably be needed. >> or 10 acres. >> absolutely. absolutely. and i forget which commissioner talked about the water safety, the water training. obviously, if that was near our sit