lucretia mott first met elizabeth katie stanton in 1840. elizabeth katie stanton was younger than her. she was 22 years younger than her. and when they met, they met in a sort of unlikely place, which was at the world anti slavery convention in london, england in 1840. you have to americans meeting in london. and they had other connections, but lucretia mott was there as a delegate from various american anti slavery societies. she was officially there to attend the world's anti slavery convention. elizabeth katie stanton was there on her honeymoon. she had just married an abolitionist named henry stanton. for her, it was the european tour versus a political journey, as it was for lucretia mauve. but i think the two women instantly connected and, elizabeth katie stanton later described lucretia mott as a revelation of womanhood. i had never met a woman like this before, basically, and i didn't know that it was possible for women to be so outspoken and independent. so she really became an admirer of lucretia mott. elizabeth katie stanton refer

put on the table and we're all bound up together in humanity it really says it's not the elizabeth cady stanton narrow view but in fact as a black woman because i'm at the crossroads of racism and sexism women like me should be at the center because the coalition manages to lift me up we are all lifted up politically and empowered. but my point is that story is often told to vilify white women or black men. but in both instances it is a story told as if the women were not there in fact francis harper fought off both stanton and douglas she spoke about violence and sexual violence and the specific plate of african-american women in the country and in the face of freedom and the struggle around citizenship. she doesn't get the hearing she might in that meeting, but her ideas leave a legacy that will pick up and work through even through today. >> you also quote her to say that white right on - - white women speak of rights and black women speak of wrongs. i appreciate you bringing up the primary with barack obama facing off with hillary clinton because i interviewed a lot of black women during th

women like elizabeth stanton are always working by way of a complex hierarchy that places white educateden in a different strata than black women even though those who were free and educated themselves. i don't think for black women the arguments really are in antislavery work at all, it's an important site of their work but i think they come to that work already with a critique in hand. >> we are going to open a question about seven minutes. if you have any questions please feel free to enter them in the q&a box. i want to talk about this year the 19th amendment obviously this is the 100th anniversary of the 19th amendment which extensively gave women the constitutional right to vote but the amendment came with a huge asterix. you said you are not celebrating the 19th amendment this year and i would love for you to talk to us about what the 19th amendment did and did not do for women at large. and why this is not a moment of celebration for you. >> the good news is, i'm a historian, i don't have to look at celebrations. i certainly have been a celebration adjacent to this, let's put it

where the foundations of our political system were being debated up and down the society as elizabeth stantonaid we debated in pulpits in -- in political gatherings in at every fire side. and people's homes but you've got no sense of that in what i call popular constitutionalism. in much of the literature and that expanding these fears to include popular debates then enables to bring african-american voice into the debate. because blacks were not in congress when the 13 and 14th amendments were ratified. they were there a few but the 15th was. but they're out there agitating they're out there making claims to equal as theship which affect the debates in congress and the radification of these amendments. so eventually i just decided what i want to write about -- fairly short focus about a whole history reconstruction, but that the importance to some extent nejtsed the way courts have interpreted them have failed to utilize them to full extent of their possible power as a weapon against racial injustice. and now, today, with what's beginning on in our country in the year 2020, that is more rele

. >> host: john brown, sojourner truth, elizabeth cady stanton, susan b anthony.y were powerhouses. so to have that, and there was tension as i understand. >> guest: when we moved to this moment we are celebrating order commemorating the anniversary to give the right to vote, harriet tubman is right in there advocating for the suffrage for women as early as 1860 she's with elizabeth cady stanton, lucretia mond, other whiteswhite suffragists that wee pushing the needle attempting to get women the right to vote and there was great tension and this is something we kind of reckon with as we move into this moment we know that actually black women don't receive that right or at least it is withdrawn from them over time and it is in this interesting position because she's worked with these suffragists. if they were allies in that respect, but many of them were quite angry black men had been given the right to vote and they were still shut out and disenfranchised. she felt like she had to choose, but she didn't. as a politician she had relationships with this older genera

and a story about a proposed monument at central park, one that would celebrate elizabeth cady stanton and anthony was circulating. it just said to me we were in danger perhaps of entering into this anniversary year and overlooking black women's quite literally so at the time i thought to try and pull together this regeneration of black women's history and to offer up one volume that would really permit all of us to fully appreciate the role black women played in political culture. >> this started as a notion that this was a book that would be filled with black women first and black women breaking barriers, shattering theories and that's absolutely true. as i began to reflect on what i was finding i realized that first it was a core principle that black women had really arrived at 200 years ago in the beginning of the 19th century and had carried forward until our own time and this was the idea that american politics should have no place for racism and sexism and when i recognize how long black women had been championing that view, when i realized how long they had been alone in carryi

. >> we talked about elizabeth katy stanton and susan b. anthony both of course who were pioneers in all of this. how old were they at the time? what role did they play? >> yes, unfortunately both susan b. anthony and elizabeth kadey stanton and other earlier supporters of the women's suffrage movement were not alive when this happened. they had died earlier in the 20th century. so the women's suffrage movement is really an example of three generations of the movement. the movement of susan b. anthony and lucretia mott, elizabeth cady stanton, sojourner truth, those women, then the next generation, carrie chapman catt and the others involved at that point and then the third generation is the lucy burns and alice paul generation, ida b. wells, mary church terrell, who are a little younger. so three generations really of activism and women to get the 19th amendment over the hump and be over the hurdle to make it part of the constitution. >> we have a photograph of lucy burns who was as you mentioned in the work house located in fairfax county

between elizabeth katie stanton and susan be anthony on one side and lucy stone and her husband henry blackwell on the other. stone and blackwell, after the civil war, they are staunch abolitionists. they believe that the black man should be enfranchised first. that the 15th amendment which gives blackmon the right to vote should be ratified and then women can fight for their vote. susan bee and elizabeth katie -- if they're going into the constitution, we're going with them or elsewhere fighting it. for almost 30 years, they had rival organizations. it was deeply damaging for the cause. that was going to be my dissertation topic. i was going to prove that they were horrible people and they had ruined the movement and so forth. but it was so depressing. my faculty adviser has kindly come here today and he can remember that i walked into his office and i said i want to start thinking about what finally worked. i want to look forward to the positive news that women finally got the vote. so i started researching the early 20th century to see what was going on. i started reading newspaper

gail, you talk about elizabeth cady stanton, you talk about carrie chapman catt, you talk about alicealk about sojourner truth, you talk about several suffragists, one of the things i love about elizabeth cady stanton, as a mom myself, she had babies on each hip, babies around her skirts, she was still just bold, radical woman her whole life. can you talk a little bit about the investigation and the research you did and the writing you did about the suffrage movement in your book. >> gail: it came up a lot. you find it in a lot of different places. i've been thinking about it a lot this week of course, it came up again. you've got to have income of your own, there's one thing that what i read in history that's taught me is that women who can bring in money, women who make money for themselves and their families have a whole different status in life than women who are confined just to be in housewives and mothers. it wasn't there doing for stock and different things they went along and moved to cities but i wonder this about the sexual à Ãthe fact that right now since the 1970s there's

there were many men along the way who were supportive of elizabeth cady stanton, her husband.usbandhapman catt's essentially bankrolled her participation in the movement because he was able to support travelssupport her related to women's suffrage. host: michael is next, new york. caller: good morning. it is so fitting, this topic you guys are talking about with women's rights and everything going on in the world. as we reflect back, we look back into the abolitionist movement and how instrumental women were. it ties right into the next movement come out to the suffrage movement, where harriet tubman was this abolitionist that helped free slaves. now we have to look at women as being instrumental in this process of getting rights to vote. hads fitting today you guys this on and the way things are going with the post office and rights to vote. it is so important to exercise our right, and women saw that. i love history. i love to see this stuff. it reminds us where we came from. locally, every time i drive through the town, it is a sight to see. a museum up there and everything

she is a much more moderate character than say elizabeth that elizabeth cady stanton. she wants the vote for this reason, her husband is abusive. every time she wants to leave him, he says great, go, you will never see your kids again. because in this era, children are the property of their fathers. if women divorce their husbands, they can be kept from their kids. she stays married and tries to continue to have access to the kids. the great part of this story is he is really awful to her, i read through her diaries, he is really awful to her and keeps trying to get her to destroy the diaries. he keeps telling her she is stupid and nobody is going to listen to her, she doesn't matter, and that he is really the shining light in the couple because he is a very famous reformer. i always try to make a point to talk about her in this situation because i want you all to leave this room and for the rest of your lives to remember that julia ward howe is an incredibly important thinker, writer, you're going to hear more about her in a minute, and she is married to some jerk nob

ones i really have become much fonder of than i thought i was going to be when i started was elizabeth cady stantona famous suffrage leader. always sort of have this kind of a little bit remote aura, if i was reading her stuff when most of the things i realized about her this was a woman she has seven kids she does all of her stuff she's walking around doing going to speech is doing all the things she's been doing to end slavery and give women the right to vote and she suddenly realizes that there is so much prejudice against women doing things in public, if you gave a speech in public you were a harlot, people throw stones at you it was a very big deal. she thought about that and she realized that she could use her old list to make all this work. she was suddenly walking around the country saying, gray hair, i have gray hair, i'm really old but here i am, i'm gonna come talk to you about homemaking and the life of the family and maybe a little bit about slavery and abolition and the right to vote. she traveled all over the country at a time when women did not travel by themselves at all. playing c

the camp that date d all the wa to 1848 and the declaration of sentiments and elizabeth stanton and susan b. anthony's early version, where they said b we should have the right to vote because we are equal, we are citizens and it's our natural right. right? there were women who practiced civil disobedience and tried to do vote. i'm just going to go do it. that begins to evolve by the late 19th and 20th sencentury t women are special and more righteous and more morally pure. fits in with progressive era reforms, saying we'll clean up government and make it more efficient because we are not corrupt. right? and it's folks who are advocating that and they say some nasty things we'll talk about on thursday. we need to make these necessary changes in society. why her motto was do everything. for her and millions of other women who come to support the vote, and men, too, there's a reason why roosevelt endorses women's suffrage. they see a women's vote as an instrument for change as much as a change itself. they assume, by the way, that women will vote differently than men will. which they turn o

talk about legislation. , there is this massive thatthat holly is riding starts in 1848 with elizabeth cady stantonding the declaration of sentiment at seneca falls. it is late 19th century, getting really big, and she is on the crest of it. hollyot just carrie clyde changing the world, but women across the country are taking on tasks that are new to women and working very hard for suffrage. there are many, many names we do not know. but for carrie clyde holly, now at least a few people know her name. we can take pride as a state that we had the first woman legislator anywhere in the country, and pueblo can take pride as a county that we provided the first woman who ever served as a legislator and passed legislation anywhere in the entire country, maybe the entire world. world moved and carrie clyde holly was there when it did. thank you. >> awesome. is soyou so much, it amazing to hear about carrie that she wasand the first representative here and maybe in the world. my first question, what places might be in the thought of the first representatives in the legislature? prof. gaughan: the country o

when we were working on the frontier, she cited elizabeth katie stanton, many steps of ways that women were unequal in society and needed to be, and, of cour, the right to vote, which we only got 100 yes ago. on a personal note, i just want to say that i was asked to direct the project with her in large part because i had been so active in the women's movement itself before that. for example, the march down 5th avenue was a big deal in the women's movement and in our history. this didn't all spring out of the air. it came from the atmosphere of the time of the women in the '60s and early '70s, women realizing we needed to demand our rights and equal power in this society. >> it is fairo say that legacies can take generations to form. but, rita, in what way do you see the legacy of ruth bader ginsburg in action and what work needs to be done? >> it is impossible to overstate the impact that riewrnlingruthbader ginsburg on constitutional law. ruth bader ginsburg changed all that. she brought us into this reality where it becomes unthinkable to have these policies that expressly favor men

elizabeth cady stanton, susan b.together wait, what look, i love that there's a monument, but these three hanging out? what are they having a conversation about hey, let's plan a women's march. yay! but sojourner, you're going to have to walk in the back ♪ that's how it really went down ♪ and then trump said that a vaccine might be available right before the election, and i was like, what that seems like awfully suspicious timing. also, no one trusts the guy who just a little bit ago was like, hm, drink bleach look, i'm sorry but i wouldn't trust trump to give me a cookie, let alone a needle of something. then for some reason, trump decided to hold a town hall and i was like, what would you do that for no one likes you then i saw that black people were there and i was like, what? he's going to get it then while this lady was asking a question, trump interrupted her. and she hit him with a - >> please stop and let me finish my question, sir >> and i was like, what? whoo then herman cain tweeted from the dead and i was

first the national women's suffrage association forms and these are women like elizabeth cady stanton and susan b. anthony who were very active in the abolitionist movement and they tend to be more radical. they want a wide number of reforms for american women, they are going to level the playing field between men and women with property ownership, divorce laws, the different economic inequalities between the sexes. they are seen as radicals. you get tos later, the organization of the american women's suffrage association and that is a much more moderate group. it is interesting for my purposes today because it is formed primarily by lucy stone and julia ward howe. they demanded only the vote with the idea that one should get the vote -- once you get the vote, you have a say in government and can change the laws if you do not like the laws. this is always a part where i want to talk about julia ward howe. howe is the same woman who wrote the battle hymn of the republic in 1862, i have talked about her before, she begins to take on a much more public role during the civil war especiall

elizabeth alexander. we also have two legends and board members in this room. and i want to ask the national president of asalh, dr. evelyn and robert g. stanton to please stand up. [ applause ] >> thank you. their leadership is so critical because again we're at a moment where we are transforming the traditional preservation movement. it's no longer about saving places associated to wealthy farmers or industrialists or presidents. it's about our history, it's our time. preservation today is a form of activism. it is about equity and it is about achieving justice so that future generations under our lasting imprint across this national landscape and that our contributions are forever remembered. thank you. [ applause ] >> that was impressive. can we give another round of applause for our panel. [ applause ] >> i told you i had the easy job. all i had to do was introduce them and get out of the way. questions for folks. one of the terms that is in black migration that we didn't talk about today is this notion of push/pull, in terms of being factors that attracted people to leave but also encouraged or maybe forced people to leave. so for the fo