has much less money than this small minority of so-called social liberals on wall street. >> elizabeth warren, senator warren, made a speech this week in which she said that the fight is much more than about this nominee for the treasury department. >> democratic administrations have filled an enormous number of senior economic policy positions with people who have close ties to wall street. starting with robert rubin, a former citigroup ceo, three of the last four treasury secretaries under democratic presidents have had citigroup affiliations before or after their treasury service. weiss defenders are all in, loudly defending the revolving door and telling america how lucky we are that wall street is willing to run the economy and the government. in fact, weiss supporters even defend the golden parachutes like the $20 million payment that weiss will receive from lazard to take this government job. why? they say it is an important tool in making sure that wall street executives will continue to be willing to run government policy making. >> she's really hitting at the very thing you have bee

elizabeth warren. she just took a trophy here. she knocked this guy off. >> she did, but don't forget that this is the only kind of thing she can pull off right now because of the way everything else is set up with republicans because buried in the bills that obama has signed recently or is going to sign, this new terrorism bill that was just passed includes undoing some of those wall street reforms. and that's a second act from what we saw in the fall with the big must-pass spending bill included undoing a little bit of dodd/frank. that's her big thing. this is where she has the power -- >> is she on the level -- everybody likes elizabeth warren. i understand why. she's saying something strong. strong language. when she went out against citigroup, that's fine. go after some big shot money group. she went after the treasury department. turns out the treasury department opposed the very feature she was railing against and didn't give them credit for it. jack lew and the boys were against that thing and she acted like they were all

can beat her for the nomination, unless she stumbles more than i think she will, other than elizabeth warren. >> i think the opportunity will be too much for her to pass up. these windows don't come along very often. i've been thinking for a while that given how barack obama has moved that party to the left particularly the activists who vote in primary, that's more an elizabeth warren than a hillary clinton party -- >> wait a minute, hillary clinton then has to adopt the policies of elizabeth warren and you think she will? >> we've already seen her trying to do that disastrously when she suggested that businesses don't create any jobs. i think this is going to be a tough challenge for her trying to claim the benefits of the clinton '90s but define herself with the new party. >> let's turn to republicans and we'll talk about this during the course of the year no question about it joe. the question in my mind can anyone break up from the pack. there's no clear front-runner unlike the democrats on the republican side right now. >> i don't think there is. the person who will break out will be t

her and elizabeth warren are almost the same age.n come out she seems to be very slow and very -- i don't see that fire that i5a used to seeg elizabeth warren. >> after that age became the topic. did you knowe1 hillary and elizabeth only 18 months apart? age an e1e1issue? >> i would be careful to take thee1 clintons on inxd anything. she has been running the marathon for years. she is tired. i said from the beginning i think there is a possibility she may not run. >> saying he thought maybe they >> but that becomes an issue when mccain was running people were questioning whetherfá he had health issues and if he was too old. that's always a question. you have to make sure that there is somebody in physical good health and condition to serve this country. it is no easy job on any day. nevertheless poor hillary clinton was in muchok better condition before she became the president's falle1çó lady for all the problems like benghazi. >> the average age of the democrats likelyçó running is ten years older than average age of republicans. >

i just -- i actually take elizabeth warren.worried she's not running but one day she will run for president. i just don't think it's going to be now, but it's clear that there is and professor reich, i'm sure there's some real dissatisfaction with wall street out there, not just in the democratic party but all across the country everywhere. you have to recognize -- those that don't recognize it or address it do so at their own peril. >> it's wall street but it's also big business, big corporate america. i mean, we have never seen as much dominance by big business and by big corporations over all and wall street in terms of financing, in terms of lobbying. there is no counterveiling power any longer in the united states and i think elizabeth warren -- i agree with you, i don't think she's going to run but she's trying to change the debate in this country so it's not simply about how big government should be, but who government should be for. >> who changes that debate on the republican side? i guess mike huckabee? >> i think the

>> elizabeth warren is a nice person. she has a fundamental view we this agree with.tunately most americans don't agree with her. she thinks the government should own and manage the country. that's a simple way of talking about populism. i want us to be aware of that and deal with it and i want us to put forward the system that has worked to build the greatest economy in the history of the world, and that's an enterprise system with an appropriate engagement of government. >> it seems like the 2016 campaign has begun in earnest. is that going to impose a problem for getting stuff done here? the campaign started early. >> it won't make it easier but it won't take away the reality that 24 republican senators are up for election in 2016 and only nine democrats. it won't take away the reality that americans send people to the house and senate this year with a very clear mandate -- do something to work together to fix the problems or we will put somebody else here. >> thanks for the time. >> our chief washington correspondent, peter cook, joins us from washington. mr. dona

the post is quoting someone close to elizabeth warren saying some kind of nasty things about the withdrawaly. here's the quote, shows we have the power to bring someone down. elizabeth is a bigger bogeyman in these rooms. every time we attack them, they bleed. this is a former banker forced out of the nomination for undersecretary job at the treasury. sounds to me like elizabeth warren is really going after wall street and is basing her entire political persona on going after wall street and making them bleed. >> absolutely. this is what she started off as, and this is how she got into politics. and clearly, if she runs, it's clear to say she's denied interest in running repeatedly. however, a lot of her progressive friends have really been pushing her to try to run and if she does run, i think it would present a complication to hillary clinton because hillary clinton would feel a need to somehow mollify her potential supporters. and she's very clumsy when she tries to do that. i think you may recall a few months ago where hillary clinton talked about how businesses don't create any jobs. b

health with ocuvite. ♪ >> he may be a 2016 favorite among liberals but massachusetts senator elizabeth warrenking very clear she will not run for president. when asked in an interview for "fortune" magazine about the possibility, she simply responded, no. previously warren would answer question only in the present tense. quote, i'm not running for president. hillary clinton looking more like she is definite, hiring a senior advisor media advisor and chief strategist for her 2016 bid but rnc chairman reince priebus promises it won't be a an easy ride for the former first lady. they will target bill clinton's personal life if necessary. kennedy, there have been hello. there have been some hot clinton headlines recently about haiti. now you're not seeing this too much in the mainstream press but "weekly standard" did an expose' how mr. clinton and the clinton foundation raising all their money. there are protests in haiti because they're not getting funding. there are a lot of shady business deals could come out should the gop go after it if need be? >> honestly i think the democratic romney if

now here is elizabeth warren from the left making reference first to bill clinton's line that the era of big government is over, then hillary clinton on a company in bentonville, arkansas. >> pretty much the whole republican party, and for going to be honest too many democrats, have talked about the evils of big government and called for deregulation. if you worked at walmart and you are paid so little that you still need food stamps to put groceries on the table, what does more money in stockholders pockets and an uptick in the gdp do for you? >> mark? my question is, are these early, meaningless shenanigans from the left and right, or is this some of the real threats, talking about hillary clinton? >> i try to follow the rule of tom brokaw. it is early, don't overreact to stuff. we'll look back at this and say her passivity, her willingness to let jeb bush and elizabeth warren define her will cost her the white house. >> i think jeb bush has a lot less standing. he is trying to inoculate himself against similar arguments that will be made against him. elizabeth warren, that is the f

elizabeth warren's campaign is to push the democratic party to the left without running for presidentt told me that hillary's noticing what warren is doing. there's a strong part of the democratic party that's excited about warren. there's nervousness from democrats i talk to is hillary going to be tough enough against wall street. i think hillary knows she's adjusting to that. and warren may be success in moving the party without running for president. i don't see her running for president at this stage. >> perry bacon jr., and josh green from bloomberg business week. >>> chris christie is telling backers to relax. but again, he compared himself to a duck. we'll explain after this. can't say thank you enough. you have made my life special by being apart of it. (everyone) cheers! glad you made it buddy. thanks for inviting me. thanks again my friends. for everything for all your help. through all life's milestones our trusted advisors are with you every step of the way. congratulations! thanks for helping me plan for my retirement. you should come celebrate with us. i'd be honored. pl

people raising money runninging ads for elizabeth warren. elizabeth warren said she's not running. again, we come back to this clear theme, republican or democrat this is a populace campaign about appealing to working class folks and the question about hillary clinton is was she the new york senator from wall street and if so does that mean that she really can't be an effective candidate who would stir up the democratic base and much what we're asking who is the republican, rand paul, ted cruz whoever that can stir up the republican base. >> i want to put up those ads so people can see them. these full page ads in new hampshire saying to elizabeth warren you say you're not running we need you. please run for president. kimberly there's an interesting piece in the "the washington post" today talking about maybe she's truly not running but she does want to keep the heat on hillary clinton when it comes to issues on wall street. >> when people say they are not running for president they are still debating running for president. and elizabeth warren knows she has everything on her side

i personally elizabeth warren i appreciate elizabeth warren being honest and wanting to stay where i think she feels she can do the most benefit. and with them trying to dismantle dodd-frank, i think that's incredibly important. i love her honesty in want to go stay genuine to what she feels she can do the best benefit for us. i travel the united states for my business and what i do notice a lot is that in the republican states, you find that fuel and gas are higher and, and there is an enormous amount of poverty. so, i am listening to all of the callers. i think the callers actually made more sense tonight or today than what i saw from the freedom summit unfortunately. i think on the republican side and the democratic side the callers seem to be quite sensible. but what i would appreciate from all of the callers that are listening, is if they could go to the library of congress right here on c-span action you see the debates, go on the internet. check out records. check out the voting history. check out how your representatives have been doing within the state, you know, and take a

elizabeth warren. >> elizabeth warren, she says she's not running.initely not running. she says she is really definitely certainly not running. so is he running? we say, keep asking. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. >> unlike jim webb and bernie sanders, do you think she is going to run? >> no. >> you gave me the one number of the united states senate that honestly doesn't want to be president. >> i didn't give it to you. you chose yourself. >> where do you want go here, joy? >> this game has been devilish, so i'm going to go with number six. >> joy reid makes a satanic play. she got the preacher instead. >> mike huckabee. running on an anti-beyonce pro-ted nugent platform. >> i have one and only one comment. -- >> wow, okay, good comment. >> i think he will run and do well in iowa. i think he will do well in south carolina. i think he might be running for a book deal. >> definitely, and to be fair, also possibly a 12 to 3 slot on radio. >> he has a book out, it's called "god, guns, grits, and gravy." >> sam seder, where are we going4"í÷ here?

i think that could be called the elizabeth warren respect within the democratic party. can it get through this congress. they want to play on -- senate democrats want to play on and eventually hillary clinton from all indications are from what she said, she's trying to different shatate herself from the wall street past. >> and something you touched on in passing there, luke some republicans are even appropriating that sort of elizabeth warren tone and we'll tap into it later. >> it's remarkable. that will be fun. >> you can watch the state of the union here on msnbc tomorrow night starting at 8:00 hosted by the lovely rachel maddow and equally lovely chris matthews. >>> overseas we're watching fallout from the latest issue of quts "charlie hebdo" and the cover predicting the prophet muhammad. it's a reason why several countries are coming together in outrage today. groups of students in afghanistan's capital condemned magazine and called for the french embassy to be shut down. others playing out in pakistan and chech ya. chris, we interviewed several members of the qut

-- >> -- threat from, well, from elizabeth warren.e to dart far left. but i think the way that this helps hillary -- or i should say hurts, she wants a clearly identifiable enemy. she wants somebody that she can run against and know exactly who that's going to be. if it's going to be jeb bush, i think hillary's very excited about that because she can say do you want the clinton economy, or do you want a bush economy in and i think it'll be very easy for him -- for her to turn him into w. >> taste see when you -- stacey, when you look at the number why do you think democrats are pulling away from hillary clinton? >> because her numbers are plummeting. >> so it's a self-fulfilling prophesy? >> yeah. no one believes her. no one believes, not even the democrats, that she can lead this country. and no one believes a word she said. >> and she's boring. >> you're nodding. >> i'm saying at this point, what difference does it make? >> thank you. [laughter] >> the whole bush/clinton thing, can we move on, people? i'm a guy i'm always touting we

what do you think you might want but could you see a -- >> say something about elizabeth warren? e gives clip clint the yips. when they appear together liz begs warren makes hillary clinton so nervous she doesn't know what to do with herself. they're trotting out center left or centrist rather, bill clinton. i don't know if any of you are constitutional scholars, i don't have the answer could see have her former president current husband be her vp? >> oh, my gosh. >> technically she could right? >> that popular why wait your time with cory booker. >> instead of two for the price of one, it is two for the price of two! >> emac, are you excited about this? 100% she's in. is she really inevitable? >> seems that way. is she going to name elizabeth warren as treasury secretary, charles holy cow. >> here we go. >> listen, here's the thing. here's the thing with hillary clinton's campaign what will be her economic strategy? we know clinton her husband failed miserably with tax hikes right? that cost him the '94 midterms where the gop swept. it was a fake tax break he campaigned on. we ha

was there anything in her language that surprised you, coming from elizabeth warren here? ou think this is a standup call for others in her party to be more aggressive? >> well sure. absolutely. ms. warren wants to move the party to the left. i call it the san dan niece ta wing of the democratic party. let me make two quick comments on what she said. number one, the democratic party is financed pie wall street. barack obama was heavily financed pie wall street. okay? that's an important point. number two if we want to talk about breaking up the big banks, you know what? i'm sympathetic to that because as i understand it the so-called resolution council is gonna be financed by government taxpayer money, debtor possession will be financed pie government taxpayer money. maybe we should break up the big banks. >> mr. frank as you know senator warren has made it clear that she doesn't think dodd frank went far enough regulating the financial industry. this is your signature bill. i'm thought going to ask you if you agree with her, do you think she just understand the compromises

>> you're seeing conservatives, huckabee rush limbaugh swooning over elizabeth warren not because ofolecies. they see her as the best chance to weaken hillary clinton and push hillary clinton to the left, maybe to an uncomfortable place that could get her off message and turn off independent voters in a general election. >> in fact though hillary clinton some would argue needs some competition, she's better when she's tested. elizabeth warren isn't going to be that competition in name because whatever she is doing is kind of circling but not declaring. but even though she says she's not running, just her celebrity and her prominence is pushing hillary clinton to the left. >> sure and what i would say to amy is very interesting story about the republicans in their dreams is elizabeth warren running. you're totally correct, she's not going to do that. she's in a very strong position especially because there is no real clinton alternative that's emerged from the democratic presidential race to be the lone star to which hillary clinton's views are measured. and so she has a lot of power

in this way are wrong about elizabeth warren?ren could bring a lot of excitement to the democratic party. i think most importantly, she would make hillary clinton a better candidate going into the general election. but any republican that is trying to stop the field from being cleared, i think is actually doing the republican party a disservice because i think like everybody said like you suggested, willie a tough debate a tough campaign makes you better. hillary clinton was horrific at the beginning of her campaign against barack obama. but by this spring she was great. >> i think the republicans had that problem several times and the time that we've been on the airborne where the field was so weak. >> yeah. and if nobody is in the field and if you're not debating then you make your first mistake in the fall of 2016 in the debate around that's a nightmare for hillary, it's a nightmare for the democratic party. the first time i ran we had 11 people, i think, running. independents republicans, all killing each other. and the democ

. >> who is going to lead the populist revolt since elizabeth warren is not running, will it be martino -- martin o'malley question mark >> it is funny how they sing start. >> if she was the soul of our party like elizabeth warren, let's get ready because it will help and then those fire sparred 's -- spark and the next thing you she is in the race. >> who is the most likely president? >> jeb bush. >> i cannot disagree. >> one more question. people say he is weak. there are a lot of them. what is his biggest vulnerability besides his last name? >> i would say that he has not run a campaign and when you run against politics, a lot of the time to get dragged down into it and it does not look so good. it looks like you are arrogant. we see we want a leader but it comes who want someone who will listen to us. that is his vulnerability. >> thanks for coming in. we will talk to you, i am certain in the coming days weeks months, and decades. >> go baby. >> we are getting harder better faster and stronger. after this. ♪ >> glad we broke up. >> that was danny strong. joining us is the screenwri

>> elizabeth warren? >> yes. what do you think about -- first of all, i mean, it does seem like a set-up between president obama and hillary clinton a passing of the torch with this speech on tuesday. >> certainly this posture is very clintonesque of saying you know, a little bit more from the wealthy to create opportunity for the middle class. on the republican side the romney numbers are interesting and his folks are encouraged by all the polls that show that people want him to run and he's doing well. the chris christie number is interesting. one thing i picked up last week in san diego is there's a lot of skepticism about chris christie and whether he's not the temperament and other things to be the nominee. there are a lot of republicans don't want him to run is fascinating. he's a stronger candidate, i think, than people think of him being right now. romney and bush in the race certainly does complicate things for him. >> it really complicates things. matt lewis, you've been covering the mitt romney story.

the elizabeth warren economic populist message could work. it didn't, obviously.q a sense that that's how you bring in the blue collar working-class democrats that are gone. >> i don't know that i would read -- i'm maybe basic, but i don't know that i would read too much more into issues of message out of 2014 than, you know amy summed it up as republicans said said, you know obama just isn't getting it done and that resonated with republican voters and it resonated with independent voters. it didn't need to get any further beyond that. a presidential election is different. we will have a conversation about these big ideas that warren is talking about. we may have that conversation depending on who gets nominated and what they choose to purr sigh, but there is a chance for those big conversations and as you said you know, i would say there are two interesting people, one on each side and rand paul who i hesitate to say a warrenlike figure in the republican party, but in the fact that he's willing to go to places and talk to audiences that a lot of other republican

i agree with elizabeth warren. i stand by her. she is the second coming of eleanor roosevelt. st: let me down this off of you. it is in the "washington post" about elizabeth warned speech yesterday. they said her speech before the seminar on raising wages scheduled more than a month ago fell on the day that obama went to detroit to highlight the auto industry. they go on to say a paragraph down that the difference may be largely a matter of emphasis, but the contrast highlight the dilemma facing democrats as they set about framing their economic message going into the 2016 election season. should they take credit for the rebound or tell the people that they feel their pain? caller: i think they should tell the people they feel their pain. that has been their downfall. they don't continue to reach out to the american people. you have to talk to america that you are for them, not wall street. as long as wall street continues to do what they want to do -- and look, banks need to fail. we fail as american people when we lose our jobs. and the banks continue to bring in more money.

she's smart enough to know the political rallies and, more importantly, elizabeth warren wants changeand she knows the best vehicle for achieving that change is hillary clinton. >> she definitely is a smart woman. but -- and let me say that their fears are not misplaced because the polls show why republicans are so worried. hillary clinton has a double digit lead over the biggest gop names. she's up 13 points on jeb bush and 15 points on mitt romney. i mean are republicans desperate to bring her down a notch before the general election, governor? >> oh sure. they will try everything. no matter how many times the facts come out of benghazi they just say benghazi benghazi benghazi in hopes that it will stick. it won't stick. they are going to be focusing on the future and what the candidates are offering. hillary clinton is a great leader. she showed that when she was in the senate the ability to bring both parties together. she worked very well with republicans. she's going to be a terrific candidate this time around. she was a great candidate -- you may remember rev, because you were

. >> elizabeth warren. eleanor has a leader, and hillary has a problem. >> eleanor in >> in is mercy, the newly confirmed surgeon general, founder of doctors for america who is a brilliant leader and entrepreneur in global health shoes. is we're going tilery from him. >> is elizabeth warren your lead senator >> i think she's bringing an important message to the country, but hillary is bringing it too. >> suzanne that martinez from the republican government of mexico. >> did you hear her answer? >> i did. >> a perfect political answer. >> jeb bush. i am still a great believer in what his political future is. let's see what we've got. >> tap it. >> yeah. >> johnny carson style. great america. passed away. >> destined for political stardom in 2015 n. british prime minister david cameron. this year, he barely held the united kingdom together and had trouble keeping his governing coalition intact. next year, cameron will redefine his country's relationship with the european union that will counter the growing th

>> it's really more about the elizabeth warren base and i don't think she's -- it matters to be honest with you. they are going to vote for her anyway. i think we're vastly overstating the number of people in this country who really cringe at the idea of islamic terrorists. >> people that are worried or -- >> i don't know how many -- nobody that i know. >> it's not the number, it's where they are placed. it's everybody who is in the top eschelon in the newspaper and every network cringed. it's so unseemly to connect the two. it's uncomfortable at cocktails party to do that. if a conservative on this show dana had said what bill clinton said would care and media be all over him and start a petition? >> what he said is something that other people have been saying. it does matter that he said it. he's an older, wiser statesman. he still talks to all of the world leaders, much to the chagrin of somebody at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. but he's very plugged in and he's a great communicator. he he knows how to cut through the clutter. >> as opposed to the very night before, another ex-president

elizabeth warren. i have been circumvented, ambushed. if you read the constitution -- i want you to correct me on this if i'm wrong because you are a learned person. if i'm wrong, you tell me. the constitution itself, the way it's preamble is a pledge of social justice. i will let you answer me -- there is so much more i could have an wanted to ask. would you think i was right in thinking the preamble is an instrument for social justice? guest: it is. thanks, by the way for your kind words and reading my prose. it is and that is the idea of this union. of course, the constitution endorsed slavery and counted slaves as the bits of human beings so the legacy is obligated. -- as 3/5 of human beings. as we have overcome this legacy, we have come to understand that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is supposed to reach all citizens of all colors and backgrounds and economic stations and so forth. that is the point of this whole enterprise. that is why we do what we do. there are many of us who think we are still come as much progress

running ads and raising money for elizabeth warren.e been in this morning's paper said she's not running. she wants to be the outsider. with we come back to a clear theme, republican or democrat. this is a populous campaign about appealing to working-class folks and the question for hillary clinton is sh the new york senator from wall street and does that mean she can't be an effective candidate that will stir up up the democratic base and we are asking who's the republican, rand paul, ted cruz whoever that can stir up the republican base. >> we want to put up the ads so people can see them and know what we are talking about. to elizabeth warren, we know you say you are not running but we need you. please run. an interesting piece in the "washington post" saying she not running but wants to keep the heat on hillary clinton when it cot comes to wall street and all of those things. >> when we hear people say they are not running for president they are debate willing to run for president. she will sit back. this movement is building. they

if there's any major threat on the left to hillary clinton, it's elizabeth warren. at the same time you to look at hillary clinton's poll numbers, over everybody including warren. she's up by 40 50 points but we are still long without. >> host: we we have about 50 ms. lithwick bob cusack, talk about politics, policy of the incoming 114th congress at's on the table in the coming months and also of course the politics and elections always looking ahead to the next election as well. in terms of policy stories incoming senate majority leader jobs, keystone and regulations top the agenda. if you want to read more the hill.com. in the meantime, connecticut ally for democrats. good morning. imac hi. john and bob, happy new year to you both. i just want to say this. the republican, i think the president, president obama, i will use his title, president he will be in command inspite of the majorities of the republicans, okay? because i think the republicans are on the same train to nowhere. if they bring up the repeal of the health care law and also if they don't deal with i

however eight of your party is of elizabeth warren? >> they welcome a fight with elizabeth warren.r to the rest of the country, they would welcome. they have done democratic infighting. they feel she should be a mcgovern type candidate. that remains to be seen. that is a widely held view. >> you are in congress and 2006 when there was a push for immigration legislation. that is what's on tap for the next several months. do the republicans -- did the republicans miss a chance to get a bill on their own terms? do they have a better chance now? >> we had very different house and senate bills. the leadership, at that point, decided that this would be too controversial within our base to try to bring the two together. we let it die in conference. the president has taken an initiative on a hard stuff. what the republicans want to do -- get more high tech devices in. more green cards for businesses and farm and border protection. republicans can act on their terms and not have to deal with the difficult issues and say mr. president, you handled that for us. >> when you look at the politic

and of course senator elizabeth warren.ing progressive rock star could potentially challenge hillary clinton in the democratic primary and newly crowned in the democratic leadership circles as well. >> it will be interesting if he does run. how would that upset the balance in the senate? >> if she were to run for president, it would create a larger debate within the party. you know this is interesting because a lot of progressives that i talked to say that they want elizabeth warren to lead the progressive movement of the warren wing of the party. they have concerns with some of the democrat party and their tie to wall street. they need everybody working now to get the economy moving. it's an interesting tension to watch within the democratic party to say the least. >> always a pleasure. >> thank you. have a great day. >> you too. >>> straight ahead, a big announcement from alec baldwin and "back to the future 2" was set in the year 2015. how close were they to what we are now. next. >>> now for some entertainment news. the

elizabeth warren, do you like her?rats don't want elizabeth warren to run is because they know she can't win. it just throws things off kilter and then it becomes, it's about she's too liberal. same with bernie sanders. but he can't win. >> got a story. i don't know if you have seen "american sniper." i have, it's amazing. >> i have seen it. >> there's a controversy brewing about it. it had a record weekend at the box office. film makers michael moore and seth rogen are taking to twitter to start a wave of conversation. he tweeted that the film reminded him of the bloody scene in the quinton tern tee know film later clarifying that he liked the movie and the two reminded him of each other. my uncle was killed in a sniper in world war ii. we'll shoot you in the back. snipers aren't heroes. invaders are worse. >> i wish i could tell you something about this but i haven't seen it. >> michael moore is known to do this on the internet. now he's denying that he's criticizing the movie because he didn't mention "american snip

the challenger that would be there looks like joe biden or elizabeth warren. neither is in the game right now and both are way down in the numbers. i think it's like 70 to 10. and so what she's doing is giving herself more time out of the limelight away from reporters, away from the scrutiny and she can launch an exploratory committee to meet the financial requirements necessary for raising money. so on every front, it's a good move for her. there's no reason for her to jump out early and she said she's going to talk to the benghazi committee if they need to. >> all right. i'm on another side of it. kimberly i think this is interesting. one of the things you'll find amongst any clinton crew is that the internal debate and arguments that happen internally end up in the paper because they cannot help themselves. so they are talking about launching a campaign six months from now but they are already having fights in the newspapers over it. >> well, that's not a good sign, is it? >> i don't think so. >> leaks indecision. in the meantime, by the time she gets aroun

i feel like i've been answering the questions. >> well massachusetts will keep elizabeth warren in, i think. no tout about that. no doubt about that. but it's an important question because there are people who are powerful, great represent thetives in that slice -- representatives who are not as powerful as elizabeth warren who are easily swamped by the incredible amounts of money that can be devoted against them. so i think the only answer is we've got to get to a place where it's not a tiny tiny few who have this concentrated power in the first stage of an election which is the money election. but instead it's all of us who have that power. i mean, this is -- the parallel that i think people miss that i city is so compelling. think about the protests in hong kong. those kids were presented with a system of, quote democracy. the system was a committee of 1200. we're going to pick the candidates that the res of hong kong could -- the rest of hong kong could then vote for. and what the kids in hong kong said was this is not democracy you're crazy. .024% of hong kong will get to pick wh

some people are drawing parallels between governor cuomo and elizabeth warren? is that accurate?s. >> it's accurate in that both were seen as progressive liberalism and populism and party roots in both for their times. mario you cancuomo was a durable figure and on the public stage for 30 years or more. elizabeth warren has not become that but has a lot of the same earthy roots and talks about in very unapologetic terms what the democratic party should stand for. that's the appeal that she has got on the party's most aggressive elements. >> the parallels accurate young? are they fair? >> i don't know. like ann said. she is new to the political scene. mario was a three-term governor. to the fact that they are unapologetic mario cuomo put his name up for nomination and i'm not sure what that's going to be. she put it forward and said she wanted to run for president. it's to be determined. to the extend that they both are the symbol of the progressive wing of the democratic party. >> could we see a liberal revolt in 2016 and would that be bad for the democrats or would it be a stren

elizabeth warren is a barack obama moment. two years in the senate. everyone is saying she doesn't have enough experience. but the train doesn't stop at the station very often. i think maybe one stop and either gets on or doesn't. the reason i think her candidacy is appealing is because she is talking about the economic populous issues, income equality and minimum wage and one out of five children in this country lives in poverty today. she is saying 1% is doing fine. we should help the middle class and rebuild the middle class. democrats ought to be out there with the message. so can bernie sanders. hillary clinton is not going to talk about those issues i don't think. >> i'm going to disagree with bill. i think president obama's lack of legislative experience has had a major effect on the way he has cuggetted his presidency and lack of accomplishments. one of the issues i cover closely is immigration and i have looked at his history as a state senator in illinois on this issue all the time as a u.s. senator and on. there are two things that come out