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i think elle's a good inspiration in that way. i've been all over the world, and people say we went to law school because of elle woods. >> what about you? would you ever run? >> oh, my goodness. >> is that a lot of pressure? >> that's leaning in until i fall over. >> don't you love her. >> i loved her before, my favorite so far, bank, text. >> my mom's like moonwalk with debbie. reese, of course, first she makes all of her products in the united states. and she wanted to give you and kath a little present. she likes hello sugar for you and totes y'all for kathie lee. do you not love her? >> you guys are going to be good friends. it. we're going to be good friends, and for the extended version. >> there's more? >> we talked for quite a long time. i like her, so i was like, now tell me more about this. you can go to klg and hoda.com. there's like ten minutes of extra stuff. >> i would have kept watching it. >> me too. is that just she in me? >> how many months pregnant are you? >> i'm not pregnant anymore. >> we're giving advice fo

jean elle is one of the first reporters on the scene. she joins us there live with sore on those moments and what witnesses say they saw. >> reporter: as crews dismantle re's accident scene we are getting a better idea of the impact of that crash. we have seen crushed cars. there is a tow truck here ready to take that tour bus out of the accident scene. you can see the front of the bus is caved in. six people are in critical condition. a double-decker tour bus runs into cars, people and a cyclist in san francisco. slamming into the apple store construction site at busy union square. victor saw the bus coming. he thinks it was going 50 miles an hour. >> i heard the squeaking tires and a wire snap. i turn around and seen this bus coming at great speed and next thing you know, started hitting cars. >> reporter: he took this video moments after the crash. you can see smashed cars and people on the top level of the sightseeing bus calling for help. he was surrounded by people with serious injuries. >> some of the people were passed out in the

jean elle, nbc bay area news. >>> an odd sight. a big rig smashes into a home in los altos. witnesses say the driver was working in the neighborhood and somehow crashed through a gate, hit a small boat and ended up in the garage. the home is heavily damaged. no word on why that man, the driver lost control. >> what are they doing to our neighborhood? what if i have a ghost house here. >> reporter: millions of dollars spent on homes but no one moves in. the new trend of ghost homes. >>> it's the holiday and that didn't provide much cheer. it created a backlash against a popular department store. >>> it was the biggest shopping day ever but most americans didn't know it. why that is about to change. >>> i'm meteorologist jeff ranieri. tracking a frost advisory for the north bay. plus the possibility of weekend rain is still expected. we'll let you know how much we're getting. the silver and black -- adding a touch of disney. while oakland is trying to keep the raiders -- the raiders made a >>> the silver and black adding a touch of disney. the raiders making a game changing an

reporting live, jean elle, nbc bay area news. >>> oregon and washington state are delaying the start of the special crab season. biologists say the toxin is coming from analogy bloom that is spreading up the west coast. california's crab season was supposed to begin last week but cancelled because of the health scare. >>> an e. coli outbreak linked to chipotle is spreading to california. it started last month in the pacific northwest and now hit a total of six states. 45 people have been infected. in california two cases reported in turlock. but it is unclear if the cases are directly linked to chipotle. the people who got sick ate at chipotle a month ago. >>> it is water that is never going to go away. >> solutions to the drought. coming up we investigate ways that technology can create enough water to solve california's water crisis whether or not it rains or snows. >>> then apple customers running for cover, the scene that caused police to swarm the flag ship store. >>> and mark zuckerberg's plan to unplug from facebook. >>> i'm meteorologist jeff ranieri, clear skies in san jose.

jean elle joins us tonight. restaurants, grocery stores, fishermen, there is a long list of people who will lose out tonight. >> reporter: it is crab pots as far as you can see. word of a delay in the commercial season is not the news they wanted to hear. it will cost them money and if you eat crab it will cost you money too. people are eating crab from canada at fisherman's wharf. >> i'm from alaska. i just came down here and expected the season to be open. >> reporter: hunter davis was hoping to replace imported crab with fresh california dungeness crab on november 15th. the docks are lined with hundreds of crab pots ready to go. but the california department of fish and wildlife enacted an emergency rule tonight delaying the commercial season because scientists are finding acid in the crustaceans. it's linked to an algae bloom and dangerous to eat. >> i have to go back home or stay here and hang out for a week or two. >> reporter: regulators say the delay will continue until testing shows the crab are safe to

jean elle has more. >> reporter: thousands of people came out to see the christmas tree lighting in union square. they had a lot of company in blue. san francisco's police chief deployed extra patrols just in case. >> three, two, one! merry christmas, san francisco. >> reporter: with a joyous cheer from thousands of people, union square ushers in the holiday season. >> i want a gift card. >> it gives san francisco that christmas feel. the hustle and bustle and it's fun. >> reporter: shoppers had lots of company. san francisco police deployed dozens of officers. >> everything with have here is out of an abundance of caution. >> reporter: the chief says uniform and plain clothed officers will remain focused on union square throughout the shopping season and visitors should feel safe. >> fbi is telling us no credible threats to the united states proper, none to the west coast. >> reporter: police did monitor a black lives matter protest. but most simply stood watch. the visible presence makes some nervous. >> it's awkward. it's a lot of police. >> reporter: others say it sets the right tone.

jean elle is near the golden gate bridge. a crime of opportunity, really. >> reporter: if you think of car break-ins, you might think they happen over there, in the big city. but this year, park police are seeing an uptick here in the mamma rynn headlands. night or day, the view is perfect. >> what's not to love? so beautiful. it's just spectacular. >> reporter: during the holidays, the headlands is a popular viewing spot. it's crowded with cars. >> people are parking places they shouldn't be. >> reporter: the national park service says thieves like the view here, too. they're not looking at the scenery. they're looking inside the cars, where purses and electronics are easy to see. jennifer ruiz walked away, from her car. >> i left a water bottle and my bag. >> reporter: what's in your bag? >> my wallet, i.d.s. >> reporter: the park service is stepping up patrols and will be alerting visitors about an uptick of car break-ins during the holiday season. the agency is hoping people will follow this new yorker's lead. >> we came

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the star has been bad elling the disease for some time and has been under going treatment.has been increasingly reclusive. he was fired from the show 2 and a half men. >> felony drug charges have been on the way for lamar odom. unlawful use of cocaine after he was found unconscious inside a brothel last month. a blood test confirmed he was using cocaine that night. he is off life sport mama sheens and he -- machines and he is learn to go walk and talk again. >>> donald trump's "saturday night live" appearance. >> ♪ used to call me on the cell phone ♪ >> that makes me laugh. the fcc hadz a rule that forced candidates news time. trump was on snl for 12 minutes and 5 seconds. they have asked affiliates for that amount of air time. kasich did not specify his time. do you want a holly, jolly christmas even if it costs $75 to see santa? >> i have a 2-year-old grandson and i know he will not be going to the paul to see santa if you have to pay $35 to take him there. >> it is the holiday season. it is supposed to be an embracing time of the year. the new jersey law they decided to

settling back into the low 70s, dinner elle fresco, fall back into the 60s and overnight hours, 57 by noon. big issue through cape cod and southeast mass. we'll have to burn through the fog to get back to sunshine. dew points rising record and unusual for november. showers going throughout cape, they are coming out of connecticut and rhode island. they are in route and move along warmer air and pops up a shower or two. most can find south of the pike and southeast mass wee hours of the morning, very, very light. front is back across the great lakes. ahead a good gusty southeast wind. there go your showers through 11:00 and 2:00 a.m. throughout the course of the night. tomorrow dawns with clouds and fog. we burn through that. just because we are starting off mild means the afternoon will be mild. gusty southwest wind keeps you from hitting 70s. much of southeast mass all the way down into middleboro, lawrence back to framingham, mid 70s. this is your warmest core of air. worcester 71. snapping records. breaking record set in 1957, 73 boston. should break record of 1978 today. saturday

. >> and what about elle wood, what was going through your mind? >> it is a great time to talk about the politic, and don't worry about what other people's beliefs are, but don't wait for somebody to ask you, just get in there. and ael wood is a great inspiration in that way. and girls in china said that we went to law school because of elle wood. >> what about you? would you ever run? >> oh, my good ness ness. >> is that a lot of pressure? >> that is leaning inta over. >> do you love her? >> and i love her. and the text bank, doughnuts and traffic, mom. >> and yes, moonwalk, debbie. and kath a little present for you and kathie lee. and she gave you hello sugar, a a and this is totes y'all. and we have the extended version, because we talked for a while. and so i like her. and iskt me more about this. and you can go to klgandhoda.com and there is like ten more minutes. >> i could have kept watching it. >> me, too, but is that just me? >> well, the producers have rules. so how many months pregnant are you? >> oh, aam not pregnant anymore. >> we will

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. >> it was a premier fit for oscar contenders as bryan cranston, helen mirren, elle fanning, and jay roach screened there biopic about trumbo. >> the nation would have bn very different had the blacklist but able to succeed to it today's standards. censorship of art is a bad thing. censorship of the media. censorship of journalism. freedom ofof speech. the freedom to assemble and practice your religion without persecution. those are the hard-fought civil liberties that he stood for. that is the message that comes through in this movie. it is very entertaining. >> with h e studio system, you had a lot of protection. you had mr. that was created around you, ana for you at you had a lot of mystery that wa created around you, and for you, and mythology in the persona. today they just want to scrape it off and see the soft white underbelly. and they go, oh yeah, we do that. then they walk away. i think there is something wonderful about the mystery created about old hollywood. >> i hope people will ask, what would i have done? how would i have behaved? would i have been willing to sacrifi

but for some ice, flooding and snow made highway traveling ell has the story. you'll need suitcases full of tience to get through the nations airports. expect long lines due to tighter security.. s/mos "definitely heightened security. it's a bigger presence." ...and the sheer number of passengers coulddust in..... the new iowa ate coach has arrived the ames airport. ny people ross the country e headed home after visiting family and friends during the thanksgiving holiday. d someavelers are having trouble to the ames airport. many people across the country are headed home after visiting family and friends during the thanksgiving holiday. and some travelers are having trouble getting home because of severe weather. rehema ellis has the story. you'll need suitcases full of patience to get through the nations airports. expect long lines due to tighter security.. s/mos "definitely heightened security. it's a bigger presence." ...and the sheer number of passengers could lengthen the time spent in the terminal. triple-a estimates 3.6 million flying this "we got here 3

elizabeth in elle saab and classic black jason wu. >> i thought it was so pretty. >> but earlier it was all casual with b berlin. >> we toured around and saw the canals and the parks and it was great. >> getting too berlin was an adventure too. check out elizabeth's post of cars on the tarmac. we don't go anywhere without each other. >> it's a triad. >> yeah. >> julian said you because you arrived on a plane with a very interesting ensemble. >> 30 minutlate. >> let's not talk about late. no. >> you always say that. i'm alwaysearly. >> oh. >> well, josh did have an excu for being tardy, sort of. >> they made us leave o halloween so i came in a halloween costume. >> and then it was like super exciting when we landed in germany where it's no l halloween and all he has is a horse head skeleton costume to go through customs. >> going through customs and having a blast posting pitts left and right. >> quick fire rounds. of the three who is the better singer? >> liam. liam is a lot more musical than he lets on josh is a fabulous dancer. >> i was going to ask that. >> i am very at organizing. >

>>ell, first of all, that's a a gotcha question. >> jimmy: no, no, you're watchingngoo much political stuff. >> no, no, that's a -- >> jimmy: you're watching too many political things. this a gotcha question. you think ben carson. >> it was. >> jimmy: it was? you think right there? >> yeah. >> jimmy: if i asked ben carsononyeah. >>>>t's the corpse of ththbird. >> ben, by the way, ben is a a curious dude. >> jimmy: yeah, he's fantastic. you never know what's going to happen. >> he's an unusual man. but you know, i mean, great, great story. when he, you know, when they ask for corroboration, you know, like was anybody there, can you corroborate this story? if you don't mind, and this may be a sensitive thing, and it's in front of millions of people, but i would like to come clean about something. >> jimmy: oh, my gosh. this is the show to do it on, michael, absolutely. [ laughter ] >> not charlie rose. >> jimmy: no, no, charlie rose calls me for tips now and then. i'm the one -- this is the one to do it absolutely. >> years ago, john kasich, who is a wonderfully nice man. lovely man. yo

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and we were with one-d as they shot a performance on "ell they talk about the breakup rumors. man, my daughter will be first, we take you behind the scenes of justin's concert on the "today" show. >> bieber taking the stage and making sure his voice wasn't altered. >> we don't need auto tu that's for other artists, not me. >> i get to feel the energy of the crowd. >> that's justin opening up with our special correspondent. >> it's an emotional in my life for sure. i've been having a lot of cries lately. >> good cries, badcries? >> just all around being emotional. >> after a public breakup and run-ins with the law, justin has finally found his purpose. the new album is his most personal so far. >> i justsaid, hey, what am i going through? what am i feeling? and basically just poured my heart out in this album. >> justin's got an apology for ufc fighter ronda rousey who was seen covering her face walking through l.a.x. after her perfect record got ko'd last week. she's had a beef with bieber. >> supposedly she asked for a picture with her sisters and i guess no. but i don't reme

>>ell i just, i needed a chanceo let people know that i'm innocent. i'm being accused of murder, which m not capable e of doing >> reporter: as a condition of the interview taking place before her trial, we agree ahead of time not ask angelika about certain aspects of the case against her. the interrogation and the day vince died. with some notable exceptions, as you will see. i do need to ask you one specific question about something that you did say in the video interrogation. this is after r six hourin that room. and after you have repeatedly denied doing anything to hurt him. >> all right. i'll give you the [ bleep ] statement. >> i wanted him m dead andow he's gone. and i'm okay with it. >> reporter: why would you say something like that? >>ell, they kept me asking me the same questions like 100 i knew that i was innocent, i to hear. >> reporter: you just said what you thouought theyanted to hear? >> yeah, i was at my breaking point, i just, i had it. so i just gave 'em what they wanted. >> reporter: so what did she mean exaxactly, wh she said sh

shiba russ skel ell is here with more. shiba? >> reporter: russian and belgian police are tracking a new suspect. he's been linked on security camera to the guy they've been hunting for days now, salah abdelslam. both are considered dangerous and possibly armed. prosecutors say two days before the paris attacks, he was spotted on surveillance video at a gas station about an hour from paris. he was driving the same car later used in the attacks that killed 130 people. also revealed today, the ringleader ahmad abdelhamid. just hours before that could happen, you may recall police raided an apartment. heavy gunfire, a suicide vest detonated. three people died, including the ringleader and his accomplice. >> this barbaric terrorist group, isil or daesh in its murderous idealogy, pose a serious threat to all of us. >> reporter: pledging solidarity at the white house today vow forg vowing for a better, coordinated fight against isis. the visit to washington resulting in new efforts to track isis financial networks and increased intelli

jean elle has more. she was brought from europe and this is a financial trap. >> people who know the own over the restaurant say he is a nice guy. but investigators disagree. they served a search warrant arresting the owner, his wife and another man who are accused of not paying workers. >> kind of like commercial online. so they offer a job. so they contact people through there. >> reporter: this 23-year-old woman from spain says she answered an ad in december to work at these restaurants in saratoga. she doesn't want to reveal her identity. she is a witness in a human trafficking investigation. >> they say we pay a lot of money for you. you have to pay us. >> reporter: the owners paid her air fare and put her to work but didn't pay her. >> i was in the salon from 10:00 to 7:00 and then go to the restaurant and keep working until they close. 11:00, 12:00, that was a lot of hours, no breaks. >> reporter: she and others told authorities. search warrants were served last night, arresting the owner and his

reporting live, jean elle, nbc bay area news. >>> video of a smash and grab. a man shatters the window and steals several pairs of high-end sunglasses. the eye wear was worth about ten grand. santa clara police released the video now hoping you can identify the thief. >>> pittsburg police say a mother caused a car crash that killed her own two-year-old son. the woman was fleeing from a today when she lost control of her car. she crashed into a light pole and the force of it caused her son to be ejected from his car seat. >> you saw the baby shoot out of the car and the car continued to crash and the woman started screaming. >> police found the woman still conscious in her seat. she was hurt but her consider is not known. the boy died there at the scene. investigators sell us the woman did not have a valid driver's license. >>> a 30-year-old woman charged with four felonies after hitting two boys with her car among the charges felony dui. police say she hit two 12-years-old yesterday in san francisco. they were in the crosswalk on their way to middle school. th

you could s-ell it and see the gun powder. >> reporter: we now know police tapped into security cameras in the clinic, watching the gunman live as he carriedut his assault. >> people in remote roomcould be extra ted ed -- extricated from the building. >> reporter: polole say robert dear suddenly surrendered but still offered no motive. police were in the crosshairs for five hours. five officers were hospitalized. officer garrett swasey lost his life. two civilians also killed. this morning the bodies of the three victims were removed. somber salute to the fallen. collective tears for the e ctims. >> i'm heartbroken that we are in this situation again and again and again. and i cry out with you and ask why. >> reporter: tonight, there are still no answers. craion is still waiting for her boyfriend. only shock, heartbreak, and for three families unspeakable pain. law enforcement sources say when robert dear was t ten into custody he began ranting about president obama, abortions, and baby parts. toght the names of civilians who were gunned down in the parking lot behind me have not yet be

jean elle is in napa this evening. what does that video reveal? >> parents here at browns valley elementary school hope they don't have to worry about that reckless driver any more. he is in contact with that police department and the video has gone viral and that has raised different concerns. the dash cam took this video of a black ford escort going through stop signs in napa. police officers were looking for the car after dozens of parents complained. >> this driver would drive by at an excessive rate of speed. there would be people -- people crossing through the crosswalk and he would not yield to them. >> lindstrom found the driver and posted video of it on social media hoping someone could name him. we blurred his face because he is under age. >> you need to stop. you are blowing through stop signs and kids riding bikes. you are going to kill somebody. >> reporter: but the exchange takes a turn. >> i'm being molested. >> reporter: it is an unfounded charge. some worry about the boy's privacy but say safety comes first. >> a kid could be kill

jean elle, nbc bay area news. >> this is a problem we exposed two weeks ago, stolen guns from law enforcement officers being used in violent crimes. go to our website, www.nbcbayarea.com, we have the story on our front page. >>> we have video of a house fire in san jose. it quickly spread throughout this two-story home on wooding court. this is not far from del mar high school. this is in the fruit dale neighborhood of san jose. no one was home or injured when the fire started. >>> a morgan hill family lucky that a giant limb from a 60-foot tree only damaged their home and didn't hurt anyone. they were home when the tree crashed into their home during the storm. there is more rain in store for us as well. more rain is moving in. jeff ranieri is tracking how long the rain chance continues and the chilly days ahead. >> the cold weather will stay for the next five to six days. the second storm system arriving right now with more uplift. that is helping the pockets of rainfall to develop. it's on a quick clip of increasing intensity here. that's where we have seen the heaviest rainfall develop in

deputy mayor ahmed ell khannouss says he is fighting a losing battle. no one, he says, knew isis had developed what i call the frankenstein of terror, the power of convincing, of conditioning youthing. no one was ready, nobody except the potential recruits. this woman from molenbeek who es not want totoe identified said her son left for syria without warning. he was killed fighting for isis. "there is somebody manipulating and brainwashing them" she said. "my son didn't just leave like that on his own." belgian police have put out an appeal on their web site for leads inin the hunt for salah abdeslam who rented a car used in the paris attacks. he is extremely dangerous, it warned, and likely armed. in a statement released through his lawyer tonight, the father of abdelhamid abaaoud, the believed mastermindd said he was relievededis son is dead. >> pelley: for some, the step from feeling marginalized to taking up arms can be a short one, and holly williams has been exploring that part of the story. >> reporter: at least five of the terrorists were french

off the corner, elle brine fires one on net. it actually redirects off a defender and rolls into the goal. that gave lebanon a 2-0 lead. how about the stick work by portsmouth' s katie locandro? i didn' t even know that was legal. apparently, it is. she gets a shot off. but there was a high stick, so it didn' t count. later in the second half, the raiders work it around the top of the circle. tiffany d' cruze will end up with it on her stick. she scores. lebanon wins the division ii championship 3-0. it' s the third title in four years. in division i, top-seeded winnacunnet and number three pinkerton. winnacunnet in white. there were no shots on goal in the first half. great defensive game. second half, abby merrill with a good chance. but her shot is turned away by pinkerton' s abigail doherty. on the other end, abigail amato centers. madison lolicata gets a shot off, but mackenzie jackson is there. final seconds of regulation, winnacunet with a chance and madeline anastasia stuffs in the corner. warriors score with one second

jean elle tells us that folks at san jose international are showing up with a lot of smiles. >> been a few years since i have seen him. he was about yay tall. glad to see him here. >> reporter: families are reuniting at bay area airports. the night before thanksgiving is a busy scene at san jose international. ♪ soothing music plays as families share moments of joy. >> good to have the freshman back home. >> see my dog and get some good food. >> reporter: people are excited to be home. >> going home. >> reporter: and happy to be heading home to see loved ones. >> she is energetic. it's good energy to be around. >> reporter: as families gather for the meal tomorrow, there are kitchen emergencies. >> i came here for baguettes and they are all out. going to another safeway. >> reporter: grocery stores are busy too. >> i didn't have condensed milk to make a pumpkin pie. i had everything else. >> it had all these ingredients. this is the one thing that we thought we had but did not have. this is my second trip to the store in the last hour. >> reporter: the shopping is done at glide in sa

jean elle is in redwood city tonight with more. >> reporter: it was revealing in many ways. we watched with students here. the g.o.p. candidates addressed immigration, the economy and military spending. students here say this time tuning in was worth it. >> go to a three-page tax code. >> reporter: the college republicans hosted a g.o.p. debate watch party tonight listening to the candidates economic plans. >> a bold and simple flat tax. >> if you raise the minimum wage -- >> some students wanted details. >> telling me you can solve 100% of the problems in the economy. that's hard to digest. >> reporter: they got details on immigration. donald trump's plan to deport 11 million immigrants triggered reactions. >> for the 11 million people, come on, folks we know you cannot pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. >> it's not possible. >> reporter: giving voters something to consider. >> i support legal immigration. >> reporter: nbc bay area political analyst says that the disagreement is informative. >> they got into the weeds on this with him.