also important for us to remember that there are also radical elders and burgundy and mentioned ella baker in a whole number of other people in the '60s who were at that time not young but certainly or radical. and there were reactionary young people. if so use is not the magic pill but rather the impetus was the ideas are there. >> martha, can you give us what is the main issue that sparked the beginning of the black student movement and colleges in '68 and '69? >> okay. i'm glad you asked that question because i think that's the black student movement of the late 1960's that swept campuses across the country from san francisco state to brooklyn college to cornell to howard really. nationwide, high-school as well, this is very much associated with the rise of affirmative action with the rise of black studies, hiring black faculty is and administrators, sweeping changes in american intellectual life and there are many causes of this and roots of it. about one cause that isn't often talked about is the panther's. i will remind you of one of the portion of one of their 10 points platforms, w