he was the head of state, that was great, he signed the voting loss, but doctor king, ella baker, those grassroots leaders were the ones who were pushing forward to give that president something to respond to. and i think that after inauguration, to many of us sat down and thought that we had passed the finish line, when really that was the starting line, november 2008. >> host: the environment is another place that you have raised criticism. what you think of what is happening with the keystone pipeline? >> does not >> guest: the keystone pipeline is a really bad idea. as initially proposed, it takes the dirtiest, most awful scraping the bottom of the bucket, nasty poly carbon and running it down through america's heartland over farmlands and aquifers to the gulf coast. so it can be refined and shipped to china. we wouldn't get any of that oil. more importantly, because of the kind of toxic stuff it is, it is very corrosive. we would have a lot of oil spills in canada, it would be risking america's beauty and the health and safety of america. to benefit a foreign corporation selling di