it was, this is also a time when ella baker is living in harlem. there's a lot the ongoing political activity. so there's already a movement in place whether it be through what adam clayton powell was doing. there's already a movement in place and that these artists find their place in that movement. it's the movement that embraces them, that they can acquire a certain sensibility and analysis. if you here harry belafonte talk to your struck by his level of analysis. and so i think instead of being so hyper critical of contemporary artists what they do and what they don't do, i also think that they aren't any moment where there's a kind of heightened political activity on the part of any of us, that is not a moment of that kind of local movement and i think if it were, it might produce a different context and that might produce a different set of responses from the artists

it was, this is also a time when ella baker is living in harlem. i mean, there's a lot of ongoing political activity. and so there's already a movement in place whether it be through double v, whether it be through what adam clayton powell was doing, there's already a movement in place and that these or artists find their place in that movement. it's, you know, it's the movement that embraces them, that they then acquire a certain sensibility and analysis. if you hear harry belafonte talk today, you're struck by his level of analysis, right? and so i think instead of being so hypercritical of contemporary artists for what they do and what they don't do, i also think that they aren't in a moment where there's a kind of heightened political activity on the part of any of us, right? that that -- it's not a moment of that kind of political movement. and i think if it were, it might produce a different context, and it might produce a different set of responses from the artists themselves. >> um, i wanted to shift gears a little bit. i was just thinking

book, a companion book that could be of the women activists that would include claudia jones or ella baker, all of whom were in harlem at this time. .. >> what i've been seeing -- i mean, i don't mind of other cultures sharing the music, appreciate our music, and, you know, to some extent it's been going on, especially with music. pat boone is one example taking hits from black artists, cross over 1950s, and what are your thoughts on fighting it? just accept the slide of, you know, what are your thoughts on -- or your ideas, you know issue other than teaching our children what we can do to stop the -- not appreciation, but appropriation, you know, and i just -- one recent example that comes to mind, i didn't see it, but, you know, the mtv music video awards, you know, where -- it's, like, it was some kind of black theme, quote for a better example, r and b, but not one artist, not one black artist, one any awards either for hip hop, rap, or r and b, and then there was the infamous twerking incident. it's, like, we were remitted at the mtv awards by white artists who art was using our artis

organized a sit in and she coordinated our efforts on the freedom ride but it was diane nash and ella baker were considered the mothers of the student nonviolent coordinating committee and she would work with doctor martin luther king jr. and planned the meeting for the student nonviolent coordinating committee was founded. she went back to north carolina and went to the school but she graduated from that you had on the eastern shore of maryland in cambridge a young lady by the name of richardson and in little rock go back to rosa parks and it wasn't doctor king's idea in montgomery, it was a college professor at alabama state a young lady by the name of joanne robertson that used the old hand member of graft machine. but all across the south and all across america there were women standing up organizing. so women should be highlighted and women lawyers like the naacp legal defense fund so brave and courageous that would come to defend people. >> host: women, lbj and barack obama. >> guest: i met president kennedy, yes but at that meeting where i met president kennedy i also met lyndon john