ella baker. bob moses.ourse, they believe in a movement that all people are centers of moral gravity and they have a right to influence those who come within their orbit. they don't have to have a preacherly top down movement. we see the black lives matter movement 50 some odd years later and they too have a similar non centered movement where leadership occurs. some think it is chaotic but it has potentially great results. speak to us between the difference between sncc and black lives matters and other orpgss. >> actually my family relationship with julian came. david forbes, my brother was president of the student body that hosted the first gathering of sncc at shaw in the early 60s. that is where he met julian. and what they discovered was that everybody around king recognized that he did not have a king-like spirit in terms of being in charge of everybody. he respected everybody and expected everybody to bring the best you have got to put to the mission that is at hand. that kind of democratic spirit.

when ella baker, the great seer and godmother of the civil rights movement, suggested that students getld have a real student organization. and julian was a multitalented member of sncc. he was its spokesman, it's writer. he was one of its major leaders. he was often the one most often heard from, except who happened to be chairman at the time. amy: what were you must struck by with julian in those early years? and then, history jeffrey of issues -- trajectory of issues to the decades as you begin the congress member, the delegate to congress representing the district of columbia. you worked together near the end of his life, is that right? >> to the very end, until just a few months ago when he and i had an intergenerational forum with leaders from ferguson and new york after the police shootings. that is the julian bond i knew. the julian bond, who in his own way, never left the civil rights movement. some of us, for example, john lewis is my colleague in congress, had moved on to other pursuits while still being a part of the movement. julian never left the movement. and he redefined

so they are, like fannie lou hamer, ella baker, other black women activists who have been willing to risk their lives and livelihood for the collective good of the black community and to create a really, truly democratic and humanist society. i think these black women are unique and really important. and even though they don't take center stage when we think about traditional definitions of leadership, typically the scholarship p has tended to focus on those who occupy the host visible leadership positions, right? and women oftentimes are not included in that. but what my work attempts to do and what some of the current civil rights scholarship is doing is censoring the works of people, and in that context we really can see the contributions that women like those who were involved in woman power unlimited have made. so writing this book, again, has allowed me to censor black women's civil rights activism also as leadership efforts and mobilization efforts that were central to the mississippi movement. woman power's civil rights activism then is best understood as this legacy of black

from a historical standpoint, if you study the committee, they started the lunch counter movement, ella bakerem. that's how snik was created. they're going to ask for permission. dr. king wanted to control them. they said no, we're going to remain independent. and so naacp has a youth division. urban league has young professionals. but to jamal's point, stop waiting. and so -- also, mobile eyes and organize. let me also say this and i need you to major make this point asking. all these millennials need to cut out this bs of we don't have leaders. you cannot change a system by saying, no, it's going to be a collective thing. even sncc had a hierarchy. >> i'm nicole roe, president of the young professional chapter of portland, oregon. my question to you all, what strategies do you all recommend on how we can identify corporate structures who don't have our interests and support particular politicians? >> such as? >> such as politicians that may be here tomorrow. >> who wants it? michael? i can answer it, but michael, you go ahead. of. >> i think when you look at corporate structures, there's mu