. >> larry: when you were a kid, ella fitzgerald was aunt ella. what was that like?ow. everybody is spoiling you and taking care of you and taking you 34r5iss and at the same time if you're a smart kid you're observing and watching and that's what i did. >> larry: when you went to school all the kids knew your father, right? >> but i was also in a school at some point in prehigh school, where i was also with celebrity kids. i went to school with walt disney's grandchildren. dick van dyke's son. the geddy's. i was in very good company. >> larry: was that good to be with kids of famous -- good and bad? >> good and bad. it's a strange -- i was raised differently. i think they, to a degree, they were just a little more spoiled, you know, than i was. my parents, you know, they raised us pretty strict and i think being a black family during that time, you just didn't have certain luxuries that you could just get wild and act like everybody else. >> larry: how old were you when dad died? >> i just turned 15. >> larry: where were you? >> i was in school. north field school i