betty: that was ellen kullman, the seal of dupont. david. , i know you have been following this proxy fight closely. we spoke with nelson peltz a little bit after this interview with ellen. she was just saying how they should have told the story better on dupont. but nelson peltz felt like he also did not tell the story right. i want to play for you part of that conversation, david. >> i think we did a good job. i think they beat us in the press. i think they did that. i think they kept us very much on our backs in the press. but i think our story was told really clearly to the people who do research, the people who follow this company intensely. and they had no problem with what we said, and they wanted change. and i think the market is telling you how disappointed it is that it didn't get it. betty: what don't you think shareholders got? aboutething fascinating dupont, it has a lot of individual investors. making the case of them was something you probably could have done a better job. he sort of admitted that to you in that conversation. i

i am curious if you are going to meeting withk a ellen kullman after this.ou going to seek any kind of medication with management? ellen before i saw the meeting. we shook hands. i said i would like to spend five minutes with you after the meeting to reach she said fine, and she said she would have somebody come get me an ring me to her. i said terrific. after my speech and after the meeting, my lawyer got a message from her lawyer saying the meeting was off. so i guess they did not like what i said in my speech, or i guess she might have been busy. it is what it is. i hope that she and i can sit down again and talk and understand how we can work together moving forward. it is a lot an opportunity there. if she does, i am willing to do it and make this company great again. we are happy to do that. if not, then we will unfortunately see some of the same. betty: nelson, as i mentioned, you have added value to several companies that you have targeted. you are an operator yourself. it has been pointed out that several of the companies that you have targeted have

trion wants ellen kullman to consider splitting up the company.cutting costs and aggressive about returning capital to shareholders. dupont is defending kullman's performance. they also point out the company is in the midst of a $1.3 billion cost cutting ram and that it's submitting off its performance chemicals unit. now of course it is in the hands of shareholders. proxy advisers are split. some say put peltz on the board, none of the others. one is packing all four. the 12 of the 16 nominees of course that get most vote will be named to the board. the meeting starts at 8:30. we'll be back after the meeting with the first on cnbc interview with ellen kullman. >> mary thanks very much. >> i think he has a long term point of view. you put him on the board -- >> it's a big deal. >> youput him on the board and hands are tied. now you're in the trenches. how do we create shareholder value. >> we're moving on here. 71% of millennials would rather go to the dentist than go to a bank according to a recent study. one company on the disrupter list wants w