attention deficit disorder which is also now available in spanish and all digital formats like ellen litman surgery sold i'm not going to have the yes. i've known you both for a while i don't care if you know you're in the show so just reveal this to our audience and as such both of you have absolutely fascinating. personal stories that brought you to this. extent you might want to talk about it. or what you're doing what you're about to. start with well yeah i was searching for what was different about maybe my whole life basically right around the time i met you know i was working at a counseling agency for a special program for adults with learning disabilities and i started saying a lot of people and it was right around the early ninety's when i started to understand that maybe there was something with attention also why i wrote my book and what was so interesting for me personally and professionally was that the women all told the same story that no matter if they had the same organizational retention problems as the man or women had said shame and pain about not being able to meet tho