. >> well, here to help us dive into some of the issue that is you cover is ellen nokochima the national security reporter for the "washington post." >> hi, ellen. >> hi. thanks for having me. i'd like to start with another question about definitions. former director of national intelligence mike mcconnell recently stated in an oped in the post that the united states is fighting a cyber war today and we are losing. do you agree? what's your thinking on that? >> i would probably use different words. what i'd say is we have an increasingly threatening environment. we are trying to secure a broad network of systems. and that network of systems involves more and more devices every day. so we're putting computers in everything. we not only have computers on our desks, we have computers in our television sets. and we have computers increasingly in our refrigerators. and look on the back of those things. more and more every day they've got an ethernet jack or they've got a wireless connection to a home network. so we're tying all these things together. because it gives us more functionality. th