mary ellen o'connell as professor of law and profess of international peace that is at the university of notre dame in the united states. one of her numerous books is self defense against non state actors. she joins us from rio de janeiro and the present. a welcome to dw professor. this rolling sounds pretty unequivocal. not a lot of wiggle room for israel. there is no wiggle room in this order. remember, it's the 3rd order issued by the international court of justice. in this case, the 2 prior orders have been defied. people are still dying in large numbers, especially civilians, especially children. the court, like everyone in the world including president biden, sees this operation against rasa as nothing short of catastrophic. the court has ordered a halt to this operation. what else could it do? well, isabel has said all along, but it has pursued these actions in the defense of its citizens. following not the bob bob rest of the time by how much terrorist why wasn't not enough for the quote which israel's argument is. attempt of justification has flaws in it. on a number of level

okay, so that professor, professor mary ellen o'connell from no state university in the united states. i thank you. let's take a look at that on potential is railey and american reactions to these rules and the atlanta accounts. so somebody can think tank in the field of international affairs, and alyssa poverty is an associate director mid list of programs. she joins us from washington, d. c. welcome to the w and the can we start with your thoughts on this latest rooting against israel? of course, and thank you for having me. um, so this late latest ruling against israel comes in the wake of a week, a week long and a week where we've seen a number of other instances, a cure in the international community that have been quite outspoken against israel . and so the 1st one was the i c c arrest warrants that were made at the beginning of the week against both is really and how much leaders and on the israel side, those were against benjamin to, to know. and you have to kalonde prime minister and the minister of defense. and subsequent to that, we also saw a number of european union count

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