haven't had a chance to read the book yet, if you talk about the whole how crazy reddit got with ellen pao talking over management? >> oh, yes. [laughter] justin and i were speaking privately before we started speaking about how she was one of the two very complex -- i mean, every character in the book is very multidimensional, but ellen pao and aaron schwartz who this book -- by the way, you should all read "the idealist," it is fantastic and gave me so much inspiration for writing mine. i source it quite thoroughly as well. but, yeah, ellen was -- her leadership was a really kind of pivotal moment for reddit, and it was also really kind of difficult within reddit as a business. i think that story of the business inside had not been told as thoroughly as, you know, the story of her being, her banning the first five noxious sub-reddits and then being basically harassed out of her job by users. so there's sort of both sides told in that chapter, those chapters. and a lot of, like, crazy leadership decisions that you might enjoy. [laughter] kimberly, did you have a question? we can could be

is one of the more storied venture capital firms, but was also sued for gender discrimination by ellen pao was your experience at kleiner like? aileen: growing up in tech and venture capital when you are the only woman around the table is not easy. you see and experience a lot of things that by legal definition are not legal. and people choose to handle it in different ways. emily: ellen lost her case in court, but do you think she should have won? aileen: i was surprised she did not win on one of them. that is all i will say. emily: what made you decide to leave kleiner? you suggested investing in uber. they were not interested at the time. there were moments where you had ideas but they did not listen. aileen: good friends of mine are entrepreneurs. they are always thinking about startups. they knew my firm and me and said, when we you leave to start your own firm? it had not crossed my mind i could do that. it had not crossed my mind that people would think they would still be my friends if i left kleiner perkins. >> wow. >> wow. >> good thing you debunked that. aileen: i realized i had

the story should be heard and i think the one thing we did when we covered the ellen pao story, one of things we did one of things i did as an editor i decided to cover it like it was the super bowl and we had five stories a day on it. and we decided to just put a lot of attention on it and we had two reporters on it to great reporters. and we covered the out of it , we live-blogged , we did everything. we thought it was an important intersection of sexism and power and money and influence, stuff like that. so, one of the problem is that you know when you have things like twitter or whatever, things just, it exhausts people. and so that it becomes noisy and then the real point, you can have a substantive discussion about problems. and everybody feels sort of in a crouched position and doesn't know what to do. and so legitimate stories, everyone just, man get like, i can't say anything, women now want to talk a lot and about it. but then there are so many different stories, and then you got the cable stations doing different things and then it becomes sort of a circus. it's really hard

the story should be heard, and i think one of the things we did when we covered the ellen pao trial, which we were good on, one of the things i did as an editor is decide to cover it like the super bowl. i hate to use this comparison. we had five stories a day on it. we decided to put a lot of attention on it and then we had two reporters on it. two great reporters. we covered the hell out of it in lots of different aspects. it.ou live-blogged kara: we live blogged it, because we thought it was an important intersection of sexism, power, money, and influence, stuff like that. and so, one of the problems is that when you have things like twitter, or whatever, it's exhausting to people, that it becomes noisy. and the real point is -- you can never have a substantive discussion about problems. everybody feels in a crouch position, right? and doesn't know what to do. so, legitimate stories, everyone just gets -- you know, men get like, i can't say anything, women now want to talk a lot and about it. then there are so many different stories. and then, you've got the cable stations doing d