i think when you look back at what ellen powell went through with her, i think it was klein and perkens >> talking about, explaining-- >> so, ellen powell had, i guess, she was in a company, and had a sexual harassment issue and that kind much just got shoved under the rug, basically. but that, again, was, you know, probably two years ago at this point. she now has a book out that's all about her, you know, follow through on what to do about this kind of systemic sexism and not having an ability to have support and have people take her seriously, take her claims seriously. so-- >> and i wonder, i can't remember the guy's name, google engineer. and a lot of people look at me, google, they fired this guy. >> james demoore. >> yes, james demore and you're saying they're libertarians and they fired this libertarian guy for really, for his like insidious ideas and what he put there. i wonder, how do you see that? 'cause some ways it was like a pr. >> james demoore for those who don't know is the author of the infamous 10-page google memo, it included a pretty large critique of google's inter

when women began to talk about harassers and abusers, we all know when ellen powell did it, we all didomen did this when susan fowler did it, we did this we believed her. we amplified her and real change happened at uber and market value was destroyed at uber because of that culture. >> i don't disagree with any of that but to add to david's question, tell me you haven't noticed in your life women have babies, men don't. >> i did notice that because i've had a few of them >> wait, request we get a breaking news on the screen. >> when women have babies, they're far more likely to choose hr over something else, right? they don't want to be in charge. men, for some reason -- once a man's wife has a baby, they don't feel compelled to slow down, but women want to. why? >> because we are the only developed country in the world that doesn't have mandated family leave i have had babies. it hurts and it takes a while to heal from it in those first weeks, i can assure you, it's not because i'm not an ambitious woman i'm an ambitious woman, but i wanted to be with my children. majority of women i