i want to bring in ellen powell now. -- ellen pao now. you have gotten a debate started with this.t do you mean? ellen: it has become such a lightning rod. what people think about elizabeth holmes and what people think about tech. i think she should obviously be held accountable. the things that they have charged around the fraud and deception and what she knew at different times is true. but, why are we only holding her accountable? there is so much male privilege that the people who have had similar wrong doing who our men are not held accountable the same way elizabeth holmes has been. emily: there is lots of pushback against your op-ed. some people think it sounds like you are defending elizabeth holmes. are you? ellen: i am saying she should be held accountable. i don't know how to make it more clear. i just don't know how we should allow these male ceos to not be held accountable. i think we need to take this moment and say, we could hold ceos accountable. we should be holding everyone doing things that are bad for their customers, bad for investors, bad for society accountab

secretary ellen and jerome power -- jerome powell are right. but, we are at an impasse.he good thing about washington, d.c. is there is almost always a way to get to yes. the democrats possess that by changing their reconciliation bill. the way they would pass the larger tax-and-spend package. they can change that bill to include the debt ceiling that would allow for them to do so on partyline basis. it is important to note, the house, senate and presidency are controlled by democrats. that would give a path forward in passing this measure. >> what does the extended wrangling say about the prospects of biden possible brought her economics package -- biden's package? >> it is a dissident ointment -- to try to find a way to get to yes on so many of these important things. three important spending measures and the debt ceiling, which we talked about. although are important and critical. the broader biden economic agenda is uncertain. the reality is that the largest component of that package, the $3.5 trillion social spending and new taxes which could have challenges on infl