>> guest: that's ellen rattner.he decided she wanted to publish the book and she had published four or five books and she would be able to do it herself. right now they had mariel hemingway and they published a book by sherry johnson who was my editor and published a book by her daughter who is ellen's partner and myself. i think they have maybe two other people. c-span: there is another person besides ellen rattner that you write about. john bresnan from politico. you don't care a whole lot for john president. >> guest: with bresnahan at that time he had sent to my press secretary ryan walsh and e-mail and brian brought the e-mail then and it clearly set in their some bad language and what he was going to do to mr. mr. ney. i said to brian i want that e-mail. it was one of those e-mails you really just don't want to have in the hands of other people. brian gave me the e-mail and i have been told by some of abramoff's people that john bresnahan was getting information from jack abramoff for story says this whole thi

judith miller, judy miller is a pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter and author, ellen rattneref for talk radio news services. they both weigh in right now. my contacts are really causing some trouble right now, but let's get right to the point. what seems to be causing president obama trouble is the fact that he has not spoken to the mainstream media to his own white house reporters who cover him on a daily basis. instead, he goes to late night talk with jay leno on "the tonight show." how did you feel when you saw that, judy? >> look, it's anybody but the mainstream media. kelly: why? >> this is his sixth appearance on jay leno because it's going to be a softball interview, because jay leno is not up to speed. i love him, i love watching him, but he does not, he is not an expert on benghazi, he's not an expert on the terror threat, on relations with moscow, on any of the pressing issues that the white house press corps has been waiting to ask the president about and hasn't been permitted to do so. kelly: rush limbaugh said earlier this week that the president appearing on jay

joining us to weigh in ellen rattner and joy pinkerton.hanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> clayton: the president saying the economy back on track. look at this, seven out of 8 jobs have been part time in the past four years. a 4% of americans are making less than $30,000 a year and the average unemployment rate has been about 20 weeks. today it's 37 weeks. up significantly under the president. and 8 million americans are stopped looking for work. that may be the most damning number. can a president really say that to college kids? >> first of all, the deficit is going down at a faster rate and the president did talk about that than has ever happened. really since world war ii. secondly, you have got a congress that is not putting in the kind of work that's going to make jobs. and that's what needs to happen in this kind of environment and the president inherited this from bush. >> can congress create jobs in we always hear that government can't create jobs. it's congress' fault? >> somebody ought to step, in for example, and help the b