raising but this group that got together was a dynamic group susan was one of them albert straus and ellen straus started the los angeles police department trust it was a group about evolving the food world and trying to make it a better food world for all involved purifies living out there i moved out there in 89 and i thought we have to have a farmer's markets all those 0 great food but no access to the food i tormented the farm bureaucracy and skmd asked them to sponsor a farmer's market they said we have no farmers we have reefrjz they grow beef and cattle they didn't count warren weber as a farmer in restaurants cycle he was one of the most important femurs we were starting from a very - and the first meeting i went to with the land trust the same people said we zoo don't have farms we have dairies they served powered mingle with the coffee this was where we started even though so much had gone before your story we look successful because we're at the ferry building, you know, (laughter) but it took us a look at to get to the point we are that actually cash positive probably about 9 years >>