this is another book, the most recent book, and it's written by ellen waterston, and relates to her trip on the santiago, and ron choke, the illustrator for this, and he and ellen collaborated in doing the drawings that would go with her poetry. this is particularly interesting page because elly says she got the idea to do the book after hiking the trail, when he saw a map of it and it reminded her of a woman stretching across northern spain on this pilgrimage, and then ron drew the map and also this overlay which is a woman, superimposed on this. so as we close this page, it shows the woman on the map, in his interpretation. artist comes in with a vision and have they're writing -- their writing and then when you're working in collaboration so ron, who did the illustrations, had both the instraights of what ellen waterston is telling him in her writing and his inspiration he brings it to, influenced by what she is describing to him. and so he does the drawings and she says, i like that, and it really is that collaborative. not the author just directing necessarily how the whole book goe