let's bring in an afghan war veteran, former marine captain, cia case officer elliot acerman. your service. it's good to have you on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> what do you make of this weird paradox where on the one hand you have homegrown bigots saying, hey, we should be like the taliban and then at the same time saying fear the afghan refugees? >> i think what it evidences is the fact that anytime we as a nation betray our values we become less safe. so when we betray our values it's obvious the way we become less safe internationally with threats from groups like isis-k in this case. but i think what's maybe less intuitive to folks is when we betray our value we also become more vulnerable domestically. and i think that's what we're seeing manifest, and we should take a moment and pause. when we're interacting on the international stage that causes white supremacist groups to cheer at home, maybe we should reflect on our policies and whether or not they're the right ones. >> i've bip framing what we are living through in the afghanistan exit is biden with uzdealt