ellis is not yet present.nner did tell us that paul manafort is in the courtroom and not looking well. he was wheeled in a wheelchair in the courtroom. he also had a cane with him. our runner describes him as having to pick up each of his individual legs to get out of the wheelchair and into a courtroom seat there. let's reason through what the changes he's been found guilty of and the possible sentencing here. five counts of filing false income tax returns and two counts of bank fraud. as you said, charles, manafort could face potentially technically 80 years in jail. it's a misnomer. the reality is that sentencing guidelines that he realistically will face 19 to 25 years in jail. judge ellis has wide-ranging latitude. he can shorten or lengthen the sentence depending on how he sees it. we talked to manafort's attorneys, asked how he's doing. one reporter said that he received an answer that we're about to find out. i met with some of the attorneys in a restaurant across the street from the courthouse. all of

ellis' case. the fact that ellis wouldn't have taken that into an account may have given him more of a lenient sentence. amy berman jackson can do that. i don't think we've seen from her comments today whether she intends to. i did think it was interesting that ellis' sentence last week would not factor into her decision. at the same time, we wouldn't necessarily expect her to come out and say i'm going to right the wrong that happened last week in virginia. we'll see, she has been tough on manafort so far. i think that if the sentence is longer than what t.s. ellis gave, despite the fact the ceiling is lower in this case, i think that would send a pretty strong signal. >> are we on pardon watch after this? >> certainly always. this is a question the white house has been asked repeatedly. they've never ruled it out. obviously there was not just the fact that paul manafort had lied to investigators, but the fact that his legal team continued to brief the president's legal team while all that was pl

judges do depart. >> as we saw judge ellis do. >> here's the interesting thing about ellis's departure. typically when a judge departs downward, she's doing it because there's a motion from the government saying he cooperated. he was truthful. his information led to the conviction and the prosecution of others. they don't routinely depart downward and not as dra mmaticay as judge ellis did. >> ken is outside the courthouse. i want to bring him in. ken, give us a check on what is happening right now inside the building behind you. >> reporter: hallie, this hearing is moving more quickly than the one in virginia did last week. they've gotten to the point now where each side is presenting their arguments about the appropriate sentence. special counsel robert mueller's office and the person of weissman went first. manafort's lawyers will argue. after that paul man himseafort get a chance to speak. will he apologize or express remorse? something he did not do last week if you recall when he spoke briefly. he talked about how painful this whole experience had been for him and his family and

she has not been the most kind to him like judge ellis.a lot of that case and the other thing is he's facing up to ten years. there were two counts there he's facing, up to ten years in prison from there. what we'll see is whether or not she adds additional time to what judge ellis sentenced him today, whether or not she says i'll give you five more years sow spend a total of nine years, or does she give him the whole ten years? judge ellis had a very different view of the special counsel team. also, she, you know, to asha's point, has a very different understanding of the special counsel's investigation, because she's been in the middle of a lot of the classified and a lot of the intelligence that has not come out. >> elie, just to be clear, anyone who's been following, this if there's any confusion, she has the ability to sentence him for up to ten years. and, and this is important, she also can decide whether that is concurrent or on top of. >> exactly. >> in order words, she can try to rectify what she sees as a wrong by judge ellis. s

>> i don't know judge ellis. i've never seen judge ellis, unlike seth waxman. all i can say about the situation is that there are true disparities here. this is a four-year -- less than a four-year sentence on truly serious crimes versus 13 years, also for financial crimes. and judge ellis has noted that the severity of these sentences has real consequences for the offenders and their families. all of that will be true for paul manafort. but the difference between four years and 13 years is really sizeable, especially in a case with the political implications that this one has. >> yeah, it's quite a -- we have it here on the screen behind us. i mean, these are two faces. this is the face of two people involved in politics who were convicted of bad things, right? so the question isn't either of them great? the question is why doesn't the other face, paul manafort behind me, why does that face look so different in your system and is treated so different than jefferson? there is also just the general fact that some of this is kooky even beyond race. there is class

judge ellis, i've never seen judge ellis unlike waxman. all i can say about the situation is that there are true disparities here. this is less than a four-year sentence versus 13 years for financial crimes. and judge ellis has noticed that the severity of these have consequences for the offender, for their families. all of that was the case with jefferson. the difference between 4 years and 13 years is really sizable especially in a case with the political implications this one has. >> we have it on the screen behind us. these are two faces. this is the face of two people involved in politics who were convicted of bad things. right? so the question isn't are either of them great. the question is why does the other face, paul manafort here behind me, why does that face look so different in our system and is treated to different than jefferson? there is also just the general fact that some of this is cokoo even beyond race. you were talking about survivor star richard hatch. tell us about that. we'll put it on the screen. >> if you're a pul

she has not been the most kind to him like judge ellis.'s a very different take on a lot of that case and the other thing is he's facing up to ten years, two counts that he's facing up to ten years in prison from there. what we'll see is whether or not she adds additional time to what judge ellis' sentence today. i will give you five more years. judge ellis has a different view of the special counsel team. she has very different understanding of the special counsel investigation because she's been in the middle of the a lot of the classified and intelligence has not come out. >> ellie, just to be clear, she has the ability to sentence him up to ten years. this is important, she also can decide whether that's concurrent or on top of. >> exactly. >> in order words, she can re i rectify what she sees is wrong. >> he can get a max of 14 years of a minimum of frankly what he has right now. >> the most can do is send another 10 years. i think that's unlikely. i think in her head she will account for this soft sentence. i think she's much less sy

ellis just made in advance of passing sentence. he said he thinks the guidelines in this case are excessive and the sentence range he's been presented is quite high, and he also talked about how he thought paul manafort had lived an otherwise -- in keeping what we've said about judge ellis, he's had a pretty sympathetic view of paul manafort throughout this trial and hey skeptical view of the government. he just articulated that just now in terms of the sentencing guidelines. he's been presented. which is to refresh viewers', 19 to 24 years in this case. it seems like ellis is prepared to go lower than that, ari. >> i think you've given us some very concrete news, ken. let's discuss it in context. some people have strong views on the news. they might think based on everything we've been discussing, the fact of paul manafort, a lot of people don't think it's high especially given the busted criminal conduct post-conviction. having said that, the judge, the one person in charge of this decision, says that the 19 to 24-year range, whi

ellis in virginia, he was super aggressive with the prosecutors throughout the manafort proceedings. today when it came time to sentence manafort, the ball was completely in that judge's court. judges have freedom when it comes to sentencing in federal court. the sentencing guidelines spelled out that manafort should get 19 to 24 years in prison, but those guidelines are merely a guide. judges are free to depart from those guidelines in either direction, as far as they want to. the only thing i judge can't do is exceed the statutory minimum sentence defined by law for the crimes for which manafort was convicted. when it came time to decide tonight how much time manafort would actually spend in prison, the judge went way below that sentencing guidelines range. he didn't go 19 to 24 years, he gave him a little less than four years and took time to criticize the sentencing guidelines in open court. quote, these guidelines are quite high. quote, i think this sentencing range is excessive. paul manafort has already spent nine months in that federal lockup in virginia. you'll remember, he

it was clear before manafort's trial when judge ellis basicalle said as much in comments in pretrialearings and the only reason he thought paul manafort was in the court room is because he went to work for trump. he said you don't care about the bank fraud and tax fraud. nevertheless, a four year sentence is a shocker because it is soca much lower than guidelis of 19 to 24 and a half years. there were predictions of 12 years. i didn't hear a single prediction of four years.ea not only was he convicted of eight felonies but he went on to commit other crimes after he was convukted. he reached a plea deal and lied and broke the plea deal and essentially what judge ellises just said is that conduct doesn't amount much to him and he'sim going to treat him like y otherke white collar criminal. thint statement that manafort made, he did not apologize. he did not express remorse. he talked about how painful this had been and he's been in solitary confinement and humiliated. it was so surprising that some people were like this is a man who expects to get a pardon. ellis did mention he was sur

today's judge in this sentencing amy berman jackson, very different from ts ellis.he did say at the outset here that this is not a revision of what another court did. clearly that's pointing to the pretty low sentence that ellis handed down last week. what do you expect today for p manafort? this is germane to what you're answering. i'm hearing in my ear that the judge is going to let both sides argue before her right now what they think the sentence should be. >> that's right. the judge goes through the guidelines and makes the formal calculation the court will be using. then she lets each side speak to what the sentence ought to be and why. then she will turn to the defendant himself and ask him whether he wants to address the court. i expect he will. defendants almost always do. he'll probably talk about how hard this has all been on him and his family and ask for a low sentence. that's the procedure the judge will go through. she's moving quickly. i think she's a bit more no nonsense than we saw last week. but it sound like she's going through her paces and then

>> judge ellis -- i know a lot of people are saying that judge ellis is too lenient and that he influenced the case. and i completely disagree because we all but one would have charged paul manafort as guilty on all 18 counts. so judge ellis didn't influence our decision. he, however, does have the right to sentence as he sees fit, and that's what he did. >> would it surprise you -- and i actually have no idea what the answer to this is. but would it surprise you if there was a survey of judge ellis's sentencing going back the last 20 years or so and find that this is way out of line with what the judge has issued in similar cases or even much less serious cases. >> it would disappoint me. for sure. >> and paula, now that you're here, i just want to ask you just a couple more reactions about things you've learned about this world surrounding paul manafort and the trump campaign. michael cohen was part of all that, active in the campaign. he was a republican party official during the campaign. just last week he testified in court about the president, his long-time friend prior to testifying

last week he was in virginia facing a judge there, judge ellis. he showed up in a wheelchair and spoke up there as well. though he did not apologize for his actions. so we'll be keeping a close eye to see what paul manafort has to say today, if anything. and he was sentenced last week to nearly four years in prison. so what we'll be looking for today is what judge jackson does. again, she can't sentence him for more than 10 years, so the question is will whatever she sentences him to be concurrent with what he is already sentenced to serve or will it be consecutive? will he have years piled on top of that? a lot to look out for here today, and of course, just thinking about about, shimon, tt time we were here, it was the michael cohen testimony that was delayed. there were lots of twists and turns, so we'll be looking to see if there will be drama today. >> shimon, before we get to the verdict, what do we need to know about judge berman? >> she certainly comes prepared. she is very thorough with everything she's done. she is the same judge that's

ellis, judge ellis is a no-nonsense judge. so when he made the earlier comments you referenced, anderson, it's not really out of character for him to be blunt in the courtroom. but i agree with both shan and gloria in terms of where this goes. i think that this there first of all maybe be a check on all of us who make our guesses. shan's six to eight-year guess is actually a pretty darn good shot given the way things were setting up. but there was so much speculation beforehand. i hope this is sort of a check just on speculation. judge jackson, if you look at the leadup for judge jackson it's very different than judge ellis. and it's much more negative for paul. >> explain in what way. >> but -- well, i mean, she decided that he broke his plea deal. by lying. in three of the five instances that the special counsel's office alleged. so that is going to factor in. it's also -- gives you some insight into this judge's perspective on this defendant. i would expect if there's a longer sentence that's substantial, i would expect the

to your point about judge ellis. in my experience, which is what i can speak from, at the end of the day, they keep their views about how an investigation started or whether or not they like the investigation or things like that out of it. they really look at the crimes they committed and their whole life and who they are as a person. it feels like judge ellis didn't do that. and that too, me, as a former prosecutor, is what's tragic about it. >> because i think people were so surprised, it's worth saying this. so tonightic moo michael cohen,s the president's long time confident and fixer, accused the president of being imp llkted in crimes. he's getting three years. he's a felon. michael flynn, who was the trusted national security advisor and for the united states has pleaded guilty to a felony. yet to be sentenced. it's possible he will get some time in prison. roger stone, who is one of the president's long-time associates who's known for 30 years, who he confer would throughout the campaign and the white house i

where judge amy berman jackson is different from judge ellis. she's only able to sentence up to ten years. so the 19 to 24 year, the biggest sentence was something in judge ellis's hands. the question judge jackson could decide is whether or not he will serve the sentences together and overlap and serve both of them at the same time or stack those on top of them looking at perhaps a 14-year sentence for paul manafort. >> kristen, we have to get a reaction from the white house. i'm guessing it is a dance party all night long but you know what they've actually >> rorter: and question looming over the white house as they try to turn the page on all of this is, is president trump considering a pardon for paul manafort? he was asked in november and he said he is not ruling one out. i spoke to his attorney rudy giuliani overnight who said he is not ruling one in or out but he's also not considering one at this time. president trump staff, as you know, up and tweeting about all of this. this is what he said today. both the judge and the lawyer in the p

this isa judge ellis took a close look.ase because there is another coming up next week where the sentence could be up to ten yea rs 7 the sentence could be up to ten years? that's right. this is such an interesting and strange case in many ways, the fact that there are parallel federal prosecution is going onjust on parallel federal prosecution is going on just on two sides of the river. —— persecutions. it is kind of unprecedented. i think the issues and the case in dc are interesting because of the witness tampering charges, because of the, what the government has alleged to be a failed cooperation agreement, so it will be interesting to see what judgejackson does without. will be interesting to see what judge jackson does without. there was a plea deal, i believe, revoked because he was found to have lied to the fbi and contacted witnesses. i guess we shouldn't forget how extraordinary it is that donald trump's former campaign share has admitted passing on information to somebody widely believed to be an agent of russia

i mean, not terribly surprising that judge ellis would go lower than the guidelines. after all, judge ellis expressed skepticism about this case from the moment the mueller team walked into his courtroom. he expressed doubts about the entire special counsel investigation, and at one point suggested that the only reason they cared about paul manafort's crimes is to squeeze him to get to the president, but nobody expected a sentence this light. it was particularly before the sentence the first surprising thing was as you said the idea that paul manafort, his first opportunity to speak publicly since 2017 and he said really not a word of apology or regret. the judge remarked on it and said i was surprised to hear no expression of regret from you. but nonetheless, the judge didn't appear to make him pay any price for that and it was really disconnected from reality to hear judge ellis say you've lived an otherwise blameless life. it's as if judge ellis has never read the first thing about paul manafort and known he was known as a leader of the torturer's lobby for represe

how do you defend that if you're judge ellis?first answer. >> i don't know how i came into that. >> sometimes. we sit here and go, no, we'll talk about it. one, i can't explain it. two, legally i can explain it as thus -- one, the judge has this call. he can look at this and say he wants to go lighter, that is within his authority. and, two, it is possible that where he identifies with him and overemphasizes with him as a beltway virginia elite with the right taken all the way up until literally yesterday because even judge ellis with all of his mts did not express repentance on judgment day? >> couldn't it have been that the judge wants to go over mueller and his team, saying he didn't believe it was a well-founded case to begin with, that he just went after him because he was associated with the president? could it have been a referendum on the special counsel? >> it's possible. we do know that the judge had those antipathies. but again, that would not be appropriate. he didn't claim to be doing that yesterday. part of my job i

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it's a terrible place to be. >> harry ellis has shown a bias since before the trial began.r that that bias has come through. >> judge ellis made it harder for the president to pardon paul manafort. >> we came here to condemn anti-semitism but this resolution now condemns just about everything. >> it's not about her, it's about these forms of -- >> nancy pelosi brokered a fair deal. >> we have a president who's never apologized for charlottesville. >> why can't we call it anti-semitism and show that we've learned the lessons of history. >> announcer: this is new

he couldn't have done better unless he got probation from judge ellis. i wonder if in your view the judge will react to the spasm of public outrage over the brief sentence and manafort living a blameless life and the fact that his attorneys had the cheek for the sentences to run concurrently and ask for them to impose it on the next judge. >> and that manafort never apologized or took responsibility in the courtroom with ellis. it will be interesting to see what he does with judge jackson. i hope judge jackson does not take into account the public reaction in her sentence. that's, frankly, not really something a judge should do. she has more than enough in her menu of things to look at to sentence paul manafort to a high sentence he deserves without being influenced by public outrage. she's human. she's going to hear about it. she may be outraged herself, or not. i don't want judges necessarily to -- federal judges are supposed to be impervious to public opinion in that way. i think she'll judge manafort based on, you know, him and these facts and what s

did you have any sense that that's what happened here with judge ellis?i don't, i don't, but the point i try make in the book is that it's to try to highlight how incredibly irresponsible and indeed corrosive statements like that from the chief executive are on the process and on the public's perception of the fairness and the effectiveness of the process. when the president engages in messaging like that, people can't help but step back and ask themselves that question that you just asked -- did that have an impact on the process or on the result in this case? we don't know the answer the that, but it introdouses a -- introduces a level of doubt and insecurity into a system that we all need to depend upon for being fair and free >> brennan: the charges that paul manafort faced were in regard to financial crimes. do you believe he was a russian asset. >> i don't know the answer to that. i think that mr. manafort's extensive involvement with ukrainian and russian actors is highly suspicious. i think that's something that we'll wait to see what the mueller

does judge ellis know that going in? and he assumes that going in? >> does he know what? >> obviously he knows -- does he assume another tough sentence is coming from dc so as he thinks about his she calibrating it? >> well, there is no question he assumes a tough sentencing coming from dc. whether or not he is calibrating it or says whether or not i'm not even going to think about that, i would sentence him to what i would sentence him to and i don't know. that is only what is in his heart. for me i think it would be hard not be affected by that. >> bob bower, what does mueller -- mueller obviously wants a tougher sentence in this court, too. does he change any of his strategy in trying to push the judge harder if he feels judge ellis is too light today? i'm curious, where are you on sal's numbers there do you they is the range? >> i don't have a basis for questioning his judgment on that. i'm not sure. i think mueller is playing this by the book. i don't anticipate that he will take out frustration with ellis by taking noir actiother action upgrade the punishment that p

. >> harry ellis has shown a bias since before the trial began. it's very clear that that bias has come through. >> judge ellis made it harder for the president to pardon paul manafort. >> we came here to condemn anti-semitism but this resolution now condemns just about everything. >> it's not about her, it's about these forms of -- >> nancy pelosi brokered a fair deal. >> we have a president who's never apologized for charlottesville. >> why can't we call it anti-semitism and show that we've learned the lessons of history. >> announcer: this is new day with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> it is new day. good morning and welcome to it, your new day. up first, president trump's former campaign chair paul manafort has been sentenced to less than four years in prison for tax evasion and bank fraud. this is well below the sentencing guidelines, the federal sentencing guidelines of 19 to 24 years. a jury in virginia convicted manafort of defrauding banks and the government for not paying taxes on millions of dollars of income he had earned from ukr

ellis. both cases were filed by counsel miller. and it was connected to manafort's work for a pro russia political party in the ukraine. >> that work predated the tenure of several months on trump's 2016 campaign. paul manafort has been behind bars last summer after judge jackson revoked his bail following allegations that he tried to obstruct the special counsel's russia investigation while he was under house arrest. she also sided with prosecutors last month who sid manafort violated his plea agreement by lying over and over to prosecutors and the fbi after he promised to cooperate. all of this comes as we get new status reports about another target of special counsel mueller. former national security adviser, you remember this guy, michael flynn. laurels for the special council filed their report last night announcing flynn's cooperation is now complete. but in that same filing, flynn's attorneys are asking for a 90-day delay in his sentencing. he has been cooperating with prosecutors in a virginia separate case against two form

for ellis to announce that the two main reasons that a judge usually goes below that bottom number do not exist in manafort's case. he didn't accept responsibility for his crimes. and he didn't provide substantial assistance to the prosecutors in helping them investigate crimes committed by others. in fact, judge jackson found that when manafort agreed to cooperate truthfully, he lied about significant matters. so once judge ellis sort of knocked out those two pillars that would ordinarily allow him to go below the 19 1/2-year floor, he said i'm going to give him 3 years and 11 months because he's led an otherwise blameless life. that, i think, does harm to the criminal justice system. i think it's a travesty. i think judge jackson, who is a very serious no-nonsense law and order-oriented and fair judge is not only going to sentence manafort appropriately, i hate to make predictions, but somewhere between the five and ten-year range on top of, that is consecutive to, the nearly four years that judge ellis just gave him. it wouldn't surprise me if you heard something from her that was

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they are accusing judge els of being a racist. >> judge ellis is experienced. with the prosecution. it was a righteous prosecution. it falls to him as a judge to evaluate everything. then to stay here's what i think is right and just for a 7-year-old person in ill health. i think we over-criminalize and over-is not. -- sentence. i think the judge was doing what he felt was just under all of the circumstances. he should be praised and applauded. >> laura: just so people understand. robert, i know you know this. judge ellis has been an advocate against excessiveness sentences in many, many cases. -- he is like a no-nonsense case. turner 37 years old prosecuted on a meth charge. prosecutors wanted him in jail for decades. he said that's ridiculous. he has been an advocate for reasonable sentences for year. one of the most prominent commentators for princeton university was on morning joe today and said this. >> underneath the sentencing gap and the wealth gap is a value gap. that's the belief that white people matter purpose other. particularly white people with m

no i think that's off the table and i do think that the reason why judge ellis made the remark is that you may recall earlier in the trial he was insinuating that mr mohler perhaps was overstepping his bounds because his immediate charter spoke about investigating collusion with russia and the crimes of tax fraud and bank fraud really were quite removed they related largely to ukrainian operations of mr mann afford and i think this was an effort to say well that may have been true but it's not going to mitigate the sins i give to mr mann a for for his bank and in tax fraud bruce fein is always good to have you on thank you. a nother wolf ones who is close to donald trump is now suing for unpaid legal fees of one point nine million dollars the president's former lawyer michael cohen says the trump organization still paying its in forces after it became clear that he would cooperate with the miller investigation couldn't testify before a house committee last week accusing the president of committing crimes in and out of office and other news thirty six countries including all the e.u. me

judge ellis said you should apologize. so after the last sentencing, trump came out and echoed the words of manafort's lawyer. >> there's absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. >> his lawyer went out of the way to say no collusion with russia. >> so that wasn't about collusion at all. it was about bank and tax fraud. yet, the quakts this alleged russian agent with material to mueller's probe and he's a material person in the case. where are we? does this mean there's no charge for collusion and that would be conspiracy? >> bits conspiracy. and with her national security background uses the term compromise. here we see both evidencenspira. collusion is not a term we use in the law. what he has pled guilty to here is a very extensive scheme of financial fraud, money hauntedering, and he has pled guilty to the witness tampering. involving his attempts to contact foreign witnesses on his behalf. so what you have here is an elaborate international cons

they got a life sentence from judge ellis. i predict this. judge jackson will go postal.er prosecutor and what paul manafort did is he agreed to cooperate all of this responsibility and he lied, lied i lied. i predict she will probably give him five to ten years consecutive because of the light sentence that judge ellis gave. >> not concurrent. >> consecutive or give ten concurrent so it gets at least ten years. zb >> i actually think it is just because it is very different than tacking time onto a three month sentence. >> it is. >> sit a different playing field now. she has shown frustration with stone and manafort and all of these folks that are thumbing their nose. >> i think it gets that consecutive. >> i wanted to add this. i have been praising these special counsel's office. i know five of them. i trained five people in that office. they are brilliant. i got to tell you, they made an unforced error. here is how. they didn't ask for a specific sentence. they filed a sentencing memo so you're here to guidelines. when i was a prosecutor i stood up and i owned it. i sai

ellie is using a physical, tactile coding language called code jumper.icrosoft, it is a block—based modular system consisting of a series of pods. each of which contains a single line of code, making up a story, a poem or in this case, a song. # row, row, row your boat gently down the stream, life is but a dream...# coding is by its nature a visual medium and often requires being able to see the whole picture. what makes code jumper unique is that it allows blind and partially sighted children to have an overview of their code with their hands. the woman leading the project is cecily morrison, a computer scientist at microsoft's cambridge research laboratory, who herself has a blind son. for blind and no—vision children specifically, the technologies that were available were not accessible to them, so many children now learn programming, starting at the age of seven, with block—base languages. the other aspect that we should not forget about is that we created this to be available to children regardless of their level of vision so that means that it is a

>> you know, i'm actually looking forward to the manafort sentencing, because i think judge ellis is really unjust and unjustifiable sentence of manafort so far below the guidelines with really no justification for it. does harm not only to sort of the mueller probe, but really to our criminal justice system. you know, there are a couple of reasons why a judge can depart downward, that is go below what is supposed to be the bottom of the potential sentence for manafort of 19 1/2 years. and the judge actually announced that neither of those things applied. he didn't accept responsibility for his crimes and he didn't substantially assist the government in other investigations. in fact, we know judge jackson found he lied to the mueller prosecutors on, among other things, one of the central issues to the mueller probe. so for them to have judge ellis announce that he's going from 19 1/2 down to just 3 years and leonardo months i think really does damage in so many ways to the system. i think judge jackson, who is strong, independent, smart, no nonsense and law and order is going to get

judge ellis. paul butler, why this is important, why it matters, we know that michael cohen said that there was a criminal conspiracy directed by donald trump to pay this hush money to stormy daniels and perhaps to other women to keep them quiet ahead of the election. we know from "the new york times" that at least eight checks were written now in the public domain, some of them writtent in white house, signed by donald trump, signed by his son, signed by allen weisselberg who took care of his money. a, quote, the president hosted a foreign leader in the oval office and then wrote a check. he haggled over legislation and then wrote a check. he traveled abroad and then wrote a check. on the same day he reportedly pressured the fbi director to drop an investigation into a former aide the president's trust issued a check to mr. cohen in furtherance of what federal prosecutors called a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws at trump's direction. why is that a crime? >> so joy, it's not a cri

this is eight—year—old ellie. like many other children her age she is learning how to code.? yeah. ellie is using a physical tactile coding language called codejumper, developed by microsoft, it is a block—based modular system consisting of a series of pods, each of which contains a single line of code, making up a story, a poem or in this case, a song. ellie and code jumper: row, row, row your boat gently down the stream. life is but a dream. coding is by its nature a visual medium and often requires being able to see the whole picture. what makes code jumper unique is that it allows blind and partially sighted children to have an overview of the code with their hands. the woman leading the project is cecily morrison, a computer scientist at microsoft‘s cambridge research laboratory, who herself has a blind son. for blind and no vision children specifically the technologies that were available were not accessible to them so many children now learn programming starting at this age of seven with block— based languages. the other aspect we should not forget about is that we cr

ellis says there was no collusion with russia. that's not what this federal judge said.ording to the court transcript, not before the court for anything having to do with the colluding with the russian government to influence this election. as we reported last night, judge ellis sentenced manafort to 47 months in prison, well below the sentence guidelines that calls for a quarter century in jail. the sentence was widely viewed as lenient. manafort never took remorse for his crime. i was surprised that i did not hear you express regret for engaging in wrongful conduct. in other words, you did not say i really, really regret not doing what i knew the law requires. now, that does not make a difference of the judgment that i am about to make. that you didn't say that. i hope you will reflect on that and your regret will be you did not comply with the law. back with us tonight is joe winebanks. jill, first of all, your reaction to the sentencing here. my reaction of the sentencing is that it is not a fair sentence. it is way too light in comparison with what other defendants

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i know you said she's not going to be an avenging angel for what happened with judge ellis's sentence but will she be -- can she punish him for her previous run-ins that she had had with manafort, and that he has been a bad cooperator. >> knowing judge jackson, she won't view that as any kind of punishment for what he has done in terms of the breaching his plea agreement or having his sentence, his bail being revoked. she's going to punish him for the crimes he's guilty of. she's going to base that on relevant conduct, and there's a lot of other relevant conduct to consider, and i think you might even hear the ten years come out initially, but then she's going to mitigate that some, that's my speculation, and i think he's going to end up looking at additional time, maybe three or four more years than he's got. that's my guess. >> shan was closer than anybody when it came to predicting judge ellis's sentence before, so i would listen very carefully here, like the showcase show down for paul manafort. david gregory, shan wu, thank you. it's a 9:30 court appearance. stay with cnn because

here is how judge ellis expre expressed on manafort. the defendant has no criminal history.s a graduate of a law school. he earned the add muir muir -- admirations of a number of people. he has been a good father and husband and a good friend to others and a generous person. that can't erase his criminal activities. it is, they are factor that counts the court must take into account. what judge ellis did was illustrate the life of privilege of a man who has committed a decade's worth of serious crimes. >> the comment of he lived a blameless life is something that could apply to every single white collar defendants. one of the reasons why white collar crimes was dealt more severely in the sentencing guidelines since 1985 was precisely because someone could do bad things after a very good life. the best example is, ken lay, famously of enron fraud who had houston named after him. a blameless life part of what a judge consider is not positive and does not distinguish him from other white collar defenders. if you don't have the money to be generous and you come into court disadv

here is how judge ellis expounded on paul manafort's otherwise blameless life. his words. defendant has no criminal history. he is a graduate of a university and law school. he has earned the admiration of a number of people, all of whom have written the court about him. he has engaged in lots of good things. he has been a good father and husband and a good friend to othersnd a generous person. of course, that can't erase his criminal activity, but it is, they are factors that count, the court must take into account. judge gaertner, what judge ellis did was illustrate the life of privilege of a man who has committed a decades worth of serious crimes. >> right. the comment he lived an otherwise blameless life is something that could apply to literally every single white collar defendant that i have ever sentenced or i would dare say across the country. in fact, one of the reasons why white collar crime was dealt with more severely in the sentencing guidelines since 1985 was precisely because someone could do very pbad things aftera very good life. the best example is ken le

there's no way she could compensate for judge ellis's miscarriage of justice, but the overall sentence will be rightly criticized. >> and an explanation, though, she said going into this today, some three hours ago, she said she could not be today trying to revise what another judge had done. so the fault, if there is a fault with the overall sentence, really goes back to judge ellis in virginia. >> there's a lot of truth to that, andrea, the miscarriage of justice, as i've called it repeatedly, really occurred in the eastern district of virginia. not today in the courtroom. she did her best to be fair and factu factual. as she said, the defendant saying i'm sorry i got caught is not inspiring a plea for leniency is one example of how she took apart the disingenuous and deceptive attitude he took toward the entire system of justice, feeling he was above the rule of law. but she could have been tougher. she tried to be balanced and fair. i think that overall the public will rightly feel that paul manafort thumbed his nose at justice in this country, and he caught a break. >> of course t